Your experience at GSDCA dog show? - Page 4

Some interesting addional reading:   

AKC Approves Working Dog Sport - This was granted for 4 breeds including the German Shepherd Dog

http://www.akc.org/press_center/article.cfm?article_id=2876

AKC Recognized Working Titles by Breed

http://images.akc.org/pdf/titles/working_dog/recognized_titles.pdf

When a Select or GV has Hips & Elbows they woulds add "Excellent" as in GV or Select "Excellent" an added work degree, CD (Companion dog along with Hips/Elbows for example would get an added "Award of Excellence".) But things may have changed.

To me really it all just hides what the dogs has or has not. And you get these very long AOE and abreviations when you should look at the hip/show rating/work score and title individually.

So, if a dog misses a survey because it is missing two teeth, why not just do the survey and place "missing two teeth, and the location" on the survey.

I'm ok with it, but I'm not. understand?

If the AKC allows IPO, that would help breeders in the USA title more easy without having to fly to special events. If they record the titles on pedigrees that would be nice too. One reason breeders used to make their own pedigrees and not use the AKC certified pedigrees was to unite all the information from SV/AKC/OFFA/OVC and so on in one document.

So, if a dog misses a survey because it is missing two teeth, why not just do the survey and place "missing two teeth, and the location" on the survey.

In SV system, if a dog is missing teeth, its either a KKL2, or it will not recieve a breed survey at all. The reason for a breed survey is to idendify dogs that thru correct conformation (including teeth), healthy hips/elbows and working titles, that are worthy of being used for breeding.

and only dogs that have passed the breed survey are allowed to produce registerable puppies.

If a AKC dog wins a few shows (sometimes with no competition) and is deemed a champion, more people will want breed to it....
This same dog has no proof of workabiltiy, genetic defects (hips/elbows/teeth) ........ its jsut crazy.
Lets all be happy breeding untested dogs with possibly bad hips or missing teeth...........its the AKC - GSDCA way!

GSD Linage.......
Why the hell would anyone want to breed to a dog that's missing a tooth or two?
That whole premise is just beyoung me.

First it depends on why the dog is missing a tooth.  If the dog was born with it but lost it due to accident or injury, Kim are you saying that it should not receive a breed survey and not be allowed to breed?

So who in this country enforces that a dog must have passing hips and elbows, a working title and a breed survey before it can be bred?  Kim, to me you are saying that the AKC should be doing this otherwise the new GSDCA Working Dog committee will fail.  

Let me ask you does the WDA currently enforce all of those criteria before a dog can be bred?  Last I looked, no they do not so Kim by your definition they have failed as well.

SitasMom in the old days, some exceptional dogs had missing teeth, (especially the pre-molars) VAs and GVs too, yet still were titled, won in shows and had working degrees. The breeders improved the breed and now most GSDs have a complete set of teeth. The survey or judge critique would mention this, and it became recoreded in history. Today, some working dogs do loose or crack a tooth in the line of work as cmandela mentioned, and you could probably get a vet or the OFA to verify the tooth was lost, but existed. 

SitasMom, in the AKC showring a dog cannot finish his/her championship without competition, a dog must have 15 points with at least two major wins (by taking Winners Dog/Winners Bitch/BOB or by taking a Group 1 over all the Best of Breed winners in the group ring or by taking Best in Show. Currently a bitch in my region must beat 11 other bitches for winners bitch or take best of winners over the Winners dog who had to beat 9 other dogs to get a 3pt major)....finding majors is actually not easy in my region and finishing a German Shepherd in AKC is no small/inexpensive journey.  Just because a dog does manage to finish, does not mean anybody will want to use that dog....just like a dog having a SchH title, survey and rating does not mean that dog will be used.  Overall, I reallly like the AKC ring.  I attended my first GSDCA specialty and found that to be a great experience, I showed my homebred German/American bitch and we had a great time. 

You said "Lets all be happy breeding untested dogs with possibly bad hips or missing teeth...........its the AKC - GSDCA way!" Why do you have to put everybody in the same category?  It is not the way, and there are plenty of great GSDCA breeders who put a lot of emphasis on health testing, temperament and certify full dentition.  Are there some that dont? Sure....but that happens in EVERY county, including Germany!  Just because an IPO title and a survey is required, it does NOT mean what appears on paper is actually legitimate!  Just because somehow, a dog has managed to pass an IPO title does NOT mean they are sound...I've been around enough in the SV showring, have been to plenty of club training/trials, have seen plenty of "titled" dogs from all lines to know that.   

UScA has a registery very much like the registries in Europe. Koko's to them!
Not what the WDA is unleashed from GSDCA doctorine, I'd like for this to be the way too.

BTW.....if a dog looses a tooth due to accident, a veterinarian note, along with xrays can be used to gain an exemption to the dentitions requirements.

the black underside to all of this..................
the AKC really doesn't give a damn about the litters they resigter, they will register dang near anything! They just want the income.

recently i saw an ad for a legless doberman ....... akc registered puppies!

The responsibilty for breeding good dogs will always depend on the ethics of the breeders. Those who want to cheat will cheat and most will get away with it. It might be fudging on titles, substituting dogs for health exams, smoozing judges. BS'ing buyers. No organization can legislate morality and no organization can make honest breeders out of dishonest ones.