Your experience at GSDCA dog show? - Page 2

I have a lot to learn when it comes to the gsd. I'm not foolish enough to think that in a couple of years I will know all.  As many of you know I come from the AKC Doberman world.  To say that breeders breed with out paying attention to titles, hips, elbows or other health related issues.  is as foolish as saying it about the SV.  You can find people who are associated with any type of shows and find some who talk about how important it is but will disregard all that occasionally.  I have heard some say, "I just want to see what will turn out.  Sometimes great things come from doing the unconventional".  I only bought Dobermans from reputable breeders who did all the health checks.  People in the SV types of shows some emphasis the work and less on the conformation.  and some more on the conformation and less on the work.  Both claim they have the correct balance.  Akc is pretty much the same.  you can get working titles and you can get conformation.  but you don't see the extreme difference in the AKC world between those who emphasis work over conformation. 

My Present Doberman came from a AKC judge Robert VanDiver.  Excellent man,  very ethical.  He has an astounding eye.  Mr. VanDiver will not breed if a dog is lacking in any area of health.  Regardless.  

You just can't loop everyone into one catagory.  There are many out there in every venue trying to do the very best they can for their breed.  Regardless of what anyone else is doing.  Quit trying to attribute evil intent or ignorance to whole groups.  Its not fair and its not right.  I will always choose to try to see the best intent in people.  As I will each one of you.  And I will say once again as I have said many times before.  I hope I get the honor to meet many of you some day at a dog show.  

Reggie

Ditto, Reggie. I try to always consider the cup half full, not half empty. I have great faith in the people who are serving on the GSDCA working dog committee. A lot of my friends are AKC breeders and judges of many different breeds. They  are honorable people who do the best job they can with their breeds. 

Blitzen,

You are wrong.  The WUSV, FCI recognized standard is,

 FCI-CLASSIFICATION:              Group      1    Sheepdogs and Cattle Dogs (except Swiss Mountain and Cattle Dogs).

 Section    1    Sheepdogs. With working trial.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

The GSD is a working dog.  AKC ASL is a trotting dog who trots around a ring. 

Big difference to those of us who care to maintain and protect the breed with what the original intent was. .

FCI breed standard:

Gait

The German Shepherd Dog is a trotter. The limbs must be coordinated in length and angulations so that the dog can shift the hindquarters towards the trunk without any essential change of the top line and can reach just as far with the forelimbs. Any tendency towards over-angulation of the hindquarters reduces the stability and the stamina, and thereby the working ability. Correct body proportions and angulations results in a gait that is far-reaching and flat over the ground which conveys the impression of effortless forward movements. The head pushed forward and the slightly raised tail result in a consistent, smooth trot showing a gently curved, uninterrupted upper line from the ear tips over the neck and back to the end of the tail.

AKC breed standard:

Gait
A German Shepherd Dog is a trotting dog, and its structure has been developed to meet the requirements of its work. General Impression-- The gait is outreaching, elastic, seemingly without effort, smooth and rhythmic, covering the maximum amount of ground with the minimum number of steps. At a walk it covers a great deal of ground, with long stride of both hind legs and forelegs. At a trot the dog covers still more ground with even longer stride, and moves powerfully but easily, with coordination and balance so that the gait appears to be the steady motion of a well-lubricated machine. The feet travel close to the ground on both forward reach and backward push. In order to achieve ideal movement of this kind, there must be good muscular development and ligamentation. The hindquarters deliver, through the back, a powerful forward thrust which slightly lifts the whole animal and drives the body forward. Reaching far under, and passing the imprint left by the front foot, the hind foot takes hold of the ground; then hock, stifle and upper thigh come into play and sweep back, the stroke of the hind leg finishing with the foot still close to the ground in a smooth follow-through. The overreach of the hindquarter usually necessitates one hind foot passing outside and the other hind foot passing inside the track of the forefeet, and such action is not faulty unless the locomotion is crabwise with the dogs body sideways out of the normal straight line.

And what exactly makes you so sure that your version of the GSD is the correct one? What about toplines,  Akita heads with loose lips, short legs, froggy rears, dogs set to Germany to title that come home in 3 months with an IPO3, already titled V rated dogs that can't pass the bite work? Get real there is plenty of room for improvement in both GSL's and ASL's. Ask any working line breeder their thoughts on either.

That's easy.  My version is the correct one because it follows the WUSV standard which  is the standard of the world.  Your standard is the aberration of one country that has twisted it to a mockery. 

I.e. the little section of the standard you posted is NOTHING about structure and even compares the dog to a machine and then goes out of the way to explain why these weak jointed over angulated dogs Have to trot crooked (they lack coordination) and that it's not a fault until they are crabbing.  A true GSD can trot straight.  The fCI standard warns against overangulation.  The AKC standard couldn't care less as long as it's extreme and looks like a machine.

Captain Stephanitz warned against this repeatedly.  He created the GSD  and those who breed them should adhere to the vision he had when  he created the breed.  

If you don't, that's fine, THEN START YOUR OWN BREED. But don't mess mine up for your vanity or your money or your misguided ideals.  The breed was created with a very transparent purpose. Follow it or create your own breed.

Claiming "majority is right" has never sat right with me.  A lot of things were once held in belief by a majority...doesn't make it right (or correct...pick your word)..

It's not a majority rule issue.  It's about following the goals that created the breed.  The GSD was created and bred to reach an ideal.  That ideal is what we should strive for.  We shouldn't settle for easy.

If the goals of the creation of the breed aren't your goals, then why breed GSD s?

The simple answer (haha) is because people can.  I do lots of things with my GSDs, including herding.  IPO?  No.  *shrugs*  My dogs can do what I need of them, and that makes me plenty happy.

I'm still waiting for you expert disection and comparison of the FCI standard vs the AKC standard, bzcz.