Paper problems/SV reg. for American born dogs? - Page 1

I have a question on behalf of someone else.

They have a 1 year old bitch from two imports, born in the US. Both parents reside in the US, both owned by the breeder.

Owner has not received papers.

Breeder told owner the litter still wasn't registered, and the litter would be SV registered.

I was under the impression that American born litters were no longer eligible for SV registration? Also, if the dog is US born, foreign dog registry would not be applicable, correct? Does the breeder not need to still AKC register the litter?

If the dogs are owned by someone who resides in America and the dogs reside in America and the puppies were born in America. Then the litter must be retistered by an America registry.

For this to happen,  both, sire and dam, must be AKC registered and have DNA submitted. 

SV will not register a litter born in America, no matter who the sire and dam are.

If a bitch was bred into a foreign country and then brought back into America, then a stud breeding certificate must be issued by the kennel club of that foreign country. If not a stud certificate, then a letter from the foreign kennel club certifying the ownership of the stud at time of breeding must be supplied with the regular documents required for a "special litter registration application".

Your friend is getting the runaround.

As I suspected.

What you describe is exactly the process as I know it, figured I'd see if there were any recent changes I didn't know about.

Hopefully it's rectified before it has to become public knowledge. Perhaps the breeder is newer at it and doesn't understand the process yet.

Time will tell.

Yes the pups are eligible for SV registration. 

If the AKC is used to paper the pups, they will NOT BE GIVEN PINKS from the SV, after the fact.  BUT, the AKC 4 gen pedigree will be stamped by the SV. 

Your friend has a special opportunity to obtain a pink SV registration if they like so DO NOT encourage the AKC registration until AFTER they get the pink.  AKC registration would allow them to participate in AKC shows and titles if that is what they want.  AKC is more readily recognized bt Americans so if they are wanting to breed the dog, AKC is good marketing.

BUT, the SV pink papers in the GSD world, are more desirable than AKC papers for certain admirers of the breed.  Your friend has a great and special opportunity if they just settle down, not be in a huge rush for paperwork, and get the facts. 

The USCA has a program to facilitate obtaining the SV papers for pups like your friend has and it is a great and special opportunity.  This breeder knows what they are talking about.

bravo22,

What you note is the USCA-SV registration.   Not SV registration.

 

The pink Usca papers do not have any value for Germany!!!you still  need the akc papers if you want leter register your dog in germany

Bravo22, breeder has a GSDCA-WDA logo on their website, so to my knowledge they cannot utilize USCA registration, correct?  You need to be a member, and you cannot be a member of both. Someone correct me if I am wrong? Also, as others have stated, USCA papers are not the same as SV papers. AKC is recognized by the FCI, therefore will be recognized by the SV. Also, I hardly think waiting over a year is "being in a huge rush".

Anyway, just wanted to update that there are still no papers. Any suggested recourse? Other dogs, from other litters, have also come to my attention who have also not received papers from this breeder.
 

Regarding the GSDCA-WDA Logo on their website, unless they have written approval from the GSDCA-WDA they cannot use this logo, are they even a member of the GSDCA-WDA?

Next question are the sire and dam even AKC registered?  If the sire and dam are now living in the US they must be AKC registered and DNA tested to get the litter AKC Registered.

Last, litters bred and whelped here in the US CANNOT qualify for SV Pink Papers.  If this is what the breeder is telling the owner of the dog, then the breeder is telling a lie.  Dogs bred and whelped here in the US can only be registered with the AKC.

This seems to be becoming a big issue with either breeders claiming the dog can get SV pink papers or dogs getting SV pink papers falsely.  Personally I do not understand why people are fasinated with the pink papers.  The dog and the bloodlines are exactly the same whether they have AKC papers or SV pink papers, the color of the papers does not change who the dog is.  However there are breeders who use the carrot of SV pink papers to change a higher price for their pups.

Because they can get away with charging more "pink papers"- or so they've convinced the buyers.

I feel bad for people who have put loads of effort into their dog and can't go do the things they want to do with them. You paid for a papered dog, you should get a papered dog.
 

Bravo is correct, they do have a program for in house registering:

http://www.schaferhund.com/schaferhund/registration.aspx

Is the breeder a SV breeder here in the USA? There might be a way to look it up or contact someone to find out.