WDA (Working Dog Association) SUING THE GSDCA??????? HUH? - Page 1

HI GUYS,
  I just read a bit of news stating that the GSDCA -Working Dog Association , headed up by Mr. Dan Yee,
is suing the GSDCA , (German Shepherd Dog Club of America)   .     Really?  
I am a bit taken aback as I know that the GSDCA incurred over tremendous expense to support 
the Working Dog Sport, and the 2013 WUSV World Trials.   I believe that over 250,000. 00usd was spent and 
the GSDCA STILL took a loss of in the neighborhood (I believe) of 100,000.00 usd?
  I know myself,  along with most in the GSDCA membership, certainly the Board and the Officers, are very happy and committed
to presenting ALL aspects of the great breed in the USA.   Most of us own GSDs from both import and
US lines, and appreciate EVERYTHING AND EVERY VENUE in which these dogs compete.  We were all
very excited to work WITH the WDA on hosting the World Trials...until it started to become obvious that 
we were doing the giving , and the WDA was very clearly doing the taking?   Really not fair, and not 
very professional or even decent, to the outward observer.

  I am very surprised and puzzled to learn , apparently that the WDA now wants even MORE money
from the very Parent Club (GSDCA) that made the WDA's hosting of the World Trials, even possible?
What about the expenses being accounted for first?  What about a real look at what money the WDA 
brought in , and how much of that went to help pay for , or pay back the GSDCA ?   They came very willingly
to the Joint Board meeting to ask for money..all smiles...the GSDCA said "ok" LETS DO IT.  Now
suits being filed?  For what?  Please someone explain ...because I am scratching my head , here.

Do we have an itemized accounting of all the money from anyone before demands are made on the GSDCA?
Where is the love ? LOL.  Why can't we "all just get along"  The GSDCA has MORE than done it's part,
and then some.  Really , and it is fine, because we all love this great breed, and want to show case it. 
But  wow, a LAWSUIT? 
  I believe now that the AKC has also (YAYYYYYYY!  ) recognized and endorses
the Working Dog Sport.   (It was why the WDA was even formed b/c back then, the AKC did not want
any liablilty for the GSDCA in regards to this. Happily this has now had a great outcome for the GSDCA and 
the AKC)    
  I mean I can't help but feel (speaking ONLY personally) that a lawsuit by the WDA and Mr Yee 
against the GSDCA ..is a bit like "biting the hand that feeds you?"
Where is the gratitude to the GSDCA and it's membership that worked hard and spent a LOT of money
to put on the World Trial?   This is very distressing to me, to see this divide.   I like people in the WDA!!!!
 
 Now that GSDCA members or whomever can have Working Dog titles put right on AKC papers, 
from the AKC....we are so excited!!!!   It would be great if the WDA would share our excitement and happiness for the decision
by the AKC and work WITH us..really I don't get it. 
What a tremendous disappointment to see the news of a potential lawsuit,  to see the news of the WDA suing the GSDCA... seriously?  Really?  UGH.
So needless.

  
 

i support good back yard breeders and "underground" training - the rest is just profiteering and feeding off the carcass of GSD legacy, i have no idea what wusv, gsdca, wda, bsp, sv.....blah, blah, blah even stand for, the whole lot could dissapear tomorrow and nobody i know would even notice.

i have slightly more extreme views than most.

Victory,
Actually I find this hilarious.
Not you or your opinion and the damage this is going to cause, but the fact that Dan Yee and the WDA are filing suit against the GSDCA.
I don't know the details of the suit but, honestly, I'm surprised it's not the other way around after all of the crap Yee pulled at the WUSV.
SMHS.

I'm curious where this information came from?

The GSDCA president.

Hi CLC29,
I have to tell you I was more than surprised at the news of this.  
Honestly, I still don't understand why it is necessary.  I don't think most people 
, that being membership , on either side, knew this was happening.
A LOT of regular GSDCA members DONATED to help fund the hosting of the 
World Tirials for the WDA.   You know, middle income, regular dog loving people, 
that support all aspects of the breed.  
So any "warm fuzzies "  and freindships that people have generated 
betwixt GSDCA and WDA is severely at risk.   I do NOT blame the WDA membership..
but wow WHO'S IDEA WAS IT?    
I really am shaking my head..
Dan Yee..can he answer my questions?   Please, someone, because this is 
just ridiculous.  
 

Dan Yee has changed the name of the WDA to, Whatta Douche Association! Is this guy serious?
I hope that the few of you who are left decide to get rid of this guy quickly.
Dan Yee and his cronies have destroyed your organization!
You should be filing suit against him!
Read below:

Important Message from President Frank Fasano on Feb 21, 2014 HISTORY OF THE GSDCA AND SCHUTZHUND In 1975 the AKC advised the GSDCA that its status with the AKC was in serious jeopardy because of its affiliation with so called "biting dog clubs" and requested that the GSDCA disassociate from biting clubs immediately or there would be severe repercussions from the AKC. In November of 1975 the GSDCA and the so-called "biting clubs" met and formed the United Schutzhund Clubs of America (USCA).   Also in 1975 the GSDCA was invited and was one of the first clubs outside Europe to join the former EUSV (European Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs), which has since been renamed the WUSV ( World Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs).   In October 1982, the GSDCA announced in an article in the GSDCA Review, page 6, the formation of the German Shepherd Dog Club of America- Working Dog Association.  The last sentence in this announcement states "The goal of this organization is to ultimately obtain recognition of the sport of Schutzhund by the American Kennel Club."  The announcement was signed by George W. Collins, the President of the GSDCA.   After 40 years of lobbying by the GSDCA and others, George's dream came true--the AKC now recognizes working dog titles on AKC pedigrees.  The GSDCA devoted a great deal of time and resources in starting, maintaining and promoting the WDA and its many activities.  Our club has  always considered the WDA a part of the GSDCA, even though it had been separately incorporated. BACKGROUND OF THE 2013 WUSV WORLD TRIALS In approximately 2000, the GSDCA committed to host the 2013 WUSV World Trials without fully understanding the financial obligations associated with producing such an event.   When I first became President, it became very clear that the GSDCA was going to incur a huge loss to host the Trials.  There was some disagreement among some of the members concerning whether the GSDCA should continue to host the Trials in light of the expected loss that the Club would incur.  However, due to the commitment of the GSDCA to working dogs, the GSDCA decided to attempt to produce the 2013 Trials if it could engage people knowledgeable with these Trials to assist the production of the Trials.   In 2011 and 2012, the GSDCA entered into a joint venture agreement with the WDA to produce the 2013 Trials-- with the GSDCA agreeing to pay for budgeted items and the WDA agreed to provide their expertise and services to produce the Trials.   In light of the fact that we all expected to incur a significant loss in connection with the Trials, it was very important to me and to the Board to try to minimize this loss as much as possible while at the same time ensuring that the quality of the show would be in line with prior shows.  This understanding was clearly communicated to the WDA on many occasions.   As it turned out, the GSDCA incurred expenses in excess of $250,000 while income was only approximately $145,000 (exact figures have not yet been finalized). The GSDCA loss was approximately $105,000.  On numerous occasions, the GSDCA requested a budget from the WDA and nothing was provided from WDA, although the WDA would typically request our approval before incurring an expense.  Notwithstanding the agreement between the GSDCA and the WDA, the WDA incurred expenses that were specifically not approved by the Budget Committee and were not approved in the Joint Venture Agreement.  The GSDCA warned the WDA that the expenses were not approved by the GSDCA before the WDA incurred these expenses. However, the WDA, and specifically the co-chair of the Trials, Mr. Dan Yee, chose to ignore the warnings.  After the event, the WDA and Mr. Yee submitted  approximately $25,000 of unapproved and undocumented expenses to be reimbursed.  Of that $25,000 in requests from the WDA, $15,000 of said expenses required receipts and documentation from the WDA, which have not been provided to date despite repeated requests for substantiation.  The remaining $10,000 of the requests were never pre-approved by the budget committee and in fact Mr. Yee was advised before he incurred these expenses that the GSDCA would not reimburse these expenses.  The unapproved expenses include  unapproved vehicles rentals, rooms for workers, entertainment and alcoholic beverages. Additionally, the WDA accepted entries for the World Trial without payment - contrary to the premium posted on the World Trial web site.   Thirty days after the close of entries and before the catalog went to print, the GSDCA refused to include the names of the non-paying countries. Mr. Yee volunteered to pay the entries for the countries that had not paid.    At the World Trial, Mr. Yee was in the Office where the numbers were handed out but did not collect the money he was owed from the delinquent countries.  As part of the the $10,000 that Mr. Yee has requested to be reimbursed, entry fees are included for entries which to date have not been collected by the GSDCA.                                            THREATS OF LAWSUITS Notwithstanding that the GSDCA paid in excess of $250,000 of total expenses and incurred a $100,000 loss in connection with producing the 2013 Trials, the WDA has currently threatened to sue the GSDCA for the unreimbursed expenses and  Mr. Yee's advanced entries. The GSDCA has received two demand letters from the WDA attorney. In response to the attorney's demand, we again asked for documentation of the expenses and instead of providing same they demanded our bank records. It is very unfortunate that the Courts and our insurance company will have to be involved.                       BOTTOM LINE As noted above, the GSDCA incurred a loss in excess of $100,000 to host the 2013 Trials.   It did this knowing in advance that this was the likely result.    It did so because it supports the working dog sport and is committed to doing so with or without the support of the WDA.

 

I SAID it was going to be a replay of the Hindenburg!  I cannot wait to read bubbabooboo's spin on how it is USCA'S  fault!!!

Mystere, I am eagerly awaiting that contribution too !


BTW  I did try to send you a PM, on the other (UScA/BOI) business,
but my attempts were rejected.  I kept getting Error 400 msgs when
I pressed Send.  Apparently the service could not cope with my "poor
syntax" !   First time a computer / web program has ever told me it
doesn't approve of my sentence construction !!! [ Maybe it was a
euphemism for "Too Long" ???]   Anyway, it eventually swallowed my
carefully typed up msg altogether, and I had no heart to re-do it.  Sorry.

dear vk4gsd; extreme opinion = naive.