Question about inbreeding in pitbulls?? - Page 1

Someone on FB was posting his dog was bred by her father, saying it was a common practice in the pitbull breed, didn't seem very legit to me, but I don't really know anything about the breed.. Then I noticed he had a lot of pics of dogs on chains, and posts asking about heart worm symptoms, at home kennel cough treatments.. Is breeding father to daughter really a common practice? I mean I could see if you had an outstanding line of dog, with no health problems, but wouldn't it be asking for trouble with unknown dogs?

It's common in many breeds, not just Pit Bulls. 

There are practices common in one breed and perfectly acceptable that in other breeds are horribly taboo. <shrug> 
 
Now, that's not to say that the guy who stated that on FB isn't a moronic hillrod. 

Here's an example of a super famous Chinaman son, Garner's Frisco, and the linebreeding. Note the 1-2 on Chinaman. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1587689-garners-frisco

 

I hear its fairly common.  Breeders with a goal in mind and the willingness to cull heavily have realized a lot of success with line breeding. I think the main issue with tight inbreeding comes from the lack of willingness to cull.
I was recently reading about a line of cattle BCs that a family has been line breeding for 3 generations.  You see some names show up like 4-6 times in the pedigree.  The only criteria being workability. 

As for the chains people keep sled dogs and hunting dogs on chains all over North America.  Some high quality ones too.  Its not something you see with GSDs too much for whatever reason. 
Again is the dog chained 24/7? Or does he get off the chain on a regular basis to exercise and socialize?  I can crate a dog all day every day or lock it in a room...is that any better?

There are plenty of idiots and not breed specific idiots, but there is a very dark side to the real pitbull culture Erin.
Short life spans offer few health problems other than winning and surviving.
It's an ugly hard sport my dear.
Tight line breeding is common yes.
So is the gambling and abuse.
Heavy chains build strong necks.
Some are very well cared for, some are not.

 

I guess I should have gave better detail to the pictures of his dogs.. The chains were heavy logging chain types, there were piles of waste all over, trash and tore up buckets and pans laying all over.. I guess If I was taking pictures of my "kennels" (which I didn't see any kennels, only tore up dog houses attached to chains with trash all over).. I'd clean up a bit.. Least pick up the dog waste..  And I might take down the posts asking how to treat kennel cough, before advertising top of the line pups for $800..  LoL.. Because, I don't know, people might worry they might get a sick pup.. He also has a bunch of unregistered pups advertised..  I guess his ad just rubbed me the wrong way.. I was just curious as to the sire breeding the daughter.. Is it that common in GSDS? I don't think I've seen that in any pedigrees..?

No it is not common breeding practice for GSD's.

This idiot posting on Facebook will end up getting busted.

The unregistered dogs are for baiting.

What your looking at is dog fighting.

 

Erin, another angle:  in the UK there is a guy who runs a
VERY famous and successful Show kennel of Yorkies.
Almost all his winning dogs are line bred and inbred, much
more closely than would be the case in e.g. GSDs, ever.

However, he is presumably culling out of his breeding programme
​any pups which look less successful;  the YT catalogues are
not full of other exhibitors showing dogs with his kennel name or
bloodlines.  Dunno if he's ever done a father-daughter mating,
but it would not surprise me.  The dogs we SEE are super nice
dogs;  but what about those we never see ?  The ones who have
inherited the congenital faults and abnormalities ?  Are they all
being sold or given to pet homes, unregistered/without papers ?
Are they dead ?    Since our Kennel Club has had something of a
re-think on genetic health issues,  this breeder's presence has been
a lot 'lower key' in senior Dog Circles.
 

I line breed, inbreed and out cross, It is how you get animals you want.  But as with any breeding, if you do not prevent ANY breeding of unwanted traits to include but not limited to being, too big, too small, poor health, temperament problems ect. ect. you will cause major problems within the breed. Just look at the dogs in America.

Schutzhund= Protection dog. The SCH dogs of today are NOT protection dogs. What happened they were linebred to make them what they are, a dog for a sport.  Completely different from 40 years ago.

Line breeding and inbreeding is the cause of many great breeds of dogs including the GSD and the APBT. The selling and breeding of inferior animals (culls) is what ruins the breed.

The hard part for most, is what is the highest priority? Is it the DOG or the BREED? What is best for the dog is not necessarily what is best for the breed. Many people take high offense to putting down puppies for the reason of poor quality. But many take high offense to those who place inferior dogs.

There are MANY differing opinions about dogs and what is right and what is wrong, and most of them it is a moral issue in what they believe is right and wrong. It would be a easy if we all have the morals and beliefs but we don't.
 

"From a genetic standpoint, that close a line breeding is a no-no."

There is no truth in that at all.
Father-daughter, mother-son, brother-sister sister breeding bring out the best and worst. But it needs to be backed with out crosses.