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by GSDfan on 28 November 2012 - 21:11
Since this is a fairly new title to the Schutzhund sport I figured I'd share a video fo my bitch getting her StP1 to show those who aren't familiar with it.
StP is a random article search test. Designated area marked by flags, 20 meters x 30 meters for the StP1.
This is very similar to what most patrol trained Police K9's and some SAR dogs are taught to do with evidence/article search.
StP is a random article search test. Designated area marked by flags, 20 meters x 30 meters for the StP1.
This is very similar to what most patrol trained Police K9's and some SAR dogs are taught to do with evidence/article search.
by melba on 28 November 2012 - 21:11
What is the time limit for the test? I have an old Sch USA book, and I don't think this is in there. I am very interested in this :)
Nice job!
Melissa
Nice job!
Melissa
by GSDfan on 28 November 2012 - 22:11
Time limit for the StP1 is 10 minutes....she completed the exam in 4 min 26 sec.
The one recommendation I'd give is not to train for this until you're finished with Schutzhund titles. Not that a dog can't do both...but since the search area boundries are marked with flags, and the dog is airscenting articles to find them it can be very conflicting to a dog that is also in training for schutzhund tracking.
The one recommendation I'd give is not to train for this until you're finished with Schutzhund titles. Not that a dog can't do both...but since the search area boundries are marked with flags, and the dog is airscenting articles to find them it can be very conflicting to a dog that is also in training for schutzhund tracking.
by melba on 28 November 2012 - 22:11
Gotcha!
I've been contemplating teaching the area search anyways with at least one of the dogs I have because I was told by a Lt in a neighboring
county (who happens to adore this dog LOL) that IF I trained her for articles, she would happily call us out instead of their K9s because
apparently their K9s are more of a status symbol couldn't find an article if it bit them.
I have taught area searches on numerous dogs and am doing Sch. tracking with mine. Having said that, what are your feelings on using
a completely different command for just article/area searches? I had taught one dog area search/articles first using a different command
and had no problem with the Sch. tracking.... just not the other way around. On the other side of the spectrum, I did mantrailing/tracking
with one girl and although an excellent trailing dog, I could not, for the life of me, ever get her to put her nose directly on the ground for
Sch tracking. She wanted to airscent the whole thing LOL While she followed the track the whole way and eneded where she was supposed
to, it was not pretty ha ha.
Thoughts?
Thank you!
Melissa
I've been contemplating teaching the area search anyways with at least one of the dogs I have because I was told by a Lt in a neighboring
county (who happens to adore this dog LOL) that IF I trained her for articles, she would happily call us out instead of their K9s because
apparently their K9s are more of a status symbol couldn't find an article if it bit them.
I have taught area searches on numerous dogs and am doing Sch. tracking with mine. Having said that, what are your feelings on using
a completely different command for just article/area searches? I had taught one dog area search/articles first using a different command
and had no problem with the Sch. tracking.... just not the other way around. On the other side of the spectrum, I did mantrailing/tracking
with one girl and although an excellent trailing dog, I could not, for the life of me, ever get her to put her nose directly on the ground for
Sch tracking. She wanted to airscent the whole thing LOL While she followed the track the whole way and eneded where she was supposed
to, it was not pretty ha ha.
Thoughts?
Thank you!
Melissa
by Slamdunc on 28 November 2012 - 22:11
Hey Melanie, Nice job and congrats. Way to go! How many articles in the STP1? Who was the judge?
Jim
Jim
by GSDfan on 29 November 2012 - 00:11
Thanks Jim....2 articles for the StP1, the Judge was Karen MacIntyre
Melba...Like I said, it's not that a dog can't do both, it is just likely to conflict. Yes, obviously you'd use different commands but also the secondary indicators to what the dog is doing is also important. I don't see much conflict with also doing area searches (for hidden people) as long as you use an obvious secondary indicator (like the "call out"....i.e. come out now or I'll send the dog and you will be bit).
With Schutzhund tracking and StP Training, the initial picture looks similar to the dog (flags). Now for tracking the secondary indicator of putting the tracking line under their arm...will probably be sufficient to make the task clear to the dog....but as the dog gets good with airscenting articles...you'd likely see the dog lift his head on the schutzhund track on windy days...bad things for a schutzhund tracker.
And you also need to be careful that your physical motion to send the dog out for an article search doesn't look too much like your "go out" in Obedience lol.
Melba...Like I said, it's not that a dog can't do both, it is just likely to conflict. Yes, obviously you'd use different commands but also the secondary indicators to what the dog is doing is also important. I don't see much conflict with also doing area searches (for hidden people) as long as you use an obvious secondary indicator (like the "call out"....i.e. come out now or I'll send the dog and you will be bit).
With Schutzhund tracking and StP Training, the initial picture looks similar to the dog (flags). Now for tracking the secondary indicator of putting the tracking line under their arm...will probably be sufficient to make the task clear to the dog....but as the dog gets good with airscenting articles...you'd likely see the dog lift his head on the schutzhund track on windy days...bad things for a schutzhund tracker.
And you also need to be careful that your physical motion to send the dog out for an article search doesn't look too much like your "go out" in Obedience lol.
by GSDPACK on 29 November 2012 - 01:11
Ha... something for my old man and me to do.. thank you.
by Slamdunc on 29 November 2012 - 02:11
Melanie,
I use a modified throwing motion for the hand signal, kind of like throwing a frisbee for my article search and a separate verbal command. The command is only for article searches combined with the hand signal which is different than the hand signal I use for my send away or directed send always to the left or right. Part of our certification is 3 articles in under 5 minutes, we can guide the dog and can use a "grid search." When ever they use flags to mark the boundaries, inevitably the dogs indicate to the flags which is correct since they have been handled and have human odor. We just praise the dog off the flag and keep them searching.
I use a modified throwing motion for the hand signal, kind of like throwing a frisbee for my article search and a separate verbal command. The command is only for article searches combined with the hand signal which is different than the hand signal I use for my send away or directed send always to the left or right. Part of our certification is 3 articles in under 5 minutes, we can guide the dog and can use a "grid search." When ever they use flags to mark the boundaries, inevitably the dogs indicate to the flags which is correct since they have been handled and have human odor. We just praise the dog off the flag and keep them searching.
by Elkoorr on 04 December 2012 - 15:12
Melissa, we had a couple trials with someone doing the STP. Its not that of a new title, it just isnt offered as much by clubs.
by Dobermannman on 09 December 2012 - 15:12
I"ve done a couple of STP's They've been around for 5 years and there was some talk that they might be an option for the A part of the Schutzhund title at some point
I use a different cue and command and haven't had a problem with the dogs getting confused with tracking. That was a pretty decent field for an STP. It's pretty open on what type field they can use. According to the rules for STP I there is supposed to be one article on either side of the centerline, so once your dog finds the article on the left you can concentrate on the right side. Unfortunately not all judges read the rules. I failed an STP with my DS because I kept calling him off the left side of the search area after he'd already found the first article and it wound up both
articles were on the same side :-(
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09 BH TT
I use a different cue and command and haven't had a problem with the dogs getting confused with tracking. That was a pretty decent field for an STP. It's pretty open on what type field they can use. According to the rules for STP I there is supposed to be one article on either side of the centerline, so once your dog finds the article on the left you can concentrate on the right side. Unfortunately not all judges read the rules. I failed an STP with my DS because I kept calling him off the left side of the search area after he'd already found the first article and it wound up both
articles were on the same side :-(
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09 BH TT
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