The Best Dog Food of All - Page 7

Oh geez, I'm sorry, but most of us on this board have gotten beyond the "Working lines are ugly little rabid beasts" and "Show lines are banana backed chow faced idiots".  We recognize there will always be room for improvement in both types, AND there will always be both types.    Please lets not let this discussion degenerate into another working vs show fight.  If you want to start that fight, please start a new thread.

Beetree, to answer your question, yes that's the current thinking.

Beetree, you or I could be exposed to food contaminated with salmonella and not be affected by it, while someone else, who was not in such robust health could get very sick from it and even die. As with people, the very young and the very old are at highest risk. See my post above about the pup with diarrhea, that was finally found to be infected with Camplyobacter jejuni. Now, I've had this little bug myself, from eating undercooked chicken, and it is NASTY!!  But unlike Samonella or E. coli, it doesn't often kill.

The other problem is the shedding of the bacteria in the stools by the healthy dog. Remember Typhoid Mary? She herself was immune to the typhoid bug she was carrying and spreading to other people. It's sthe same with dogs. A healthy dog carrying the bacteria can lick its butt, lick your kid's face, and BINGO! You've got one sick kiddy! Not to mention, the bacteria can be spead by stepping in or handlng the feces.

And yes, a dog's digestive system can probably handle bacteria better than a human's, but my guess is that that's because they are exposed to more bacteria than we are due to eating dirt, rocks and sometimes poop.

Have a look at this link here: http://www.dogpeople.org/BARF%20Myth.htm

The USDA estimates that salmonella is present in 35 percent of turkeys, 11 percent of chickens and 6 percent of ground beef. Each year, food-borne pathogens like Salmonella, Campylobacter, E-Coli, Shigella, and Listeria cause 76 million illnesses and 5,000 human deaths. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), E-coli O157:H7 kills an estimated 60 people nationwide every year and sickens another 73,000.

Despite vociferous claims to the contrary pets fed BARF diets do succumb to the bacterial species commonly found on raw un-cooked foods. The literature contains numerous examples of such deaths and diseases. An example is a Papillion breeder in Texas who fed a raw chicken based BARF diet. Two dogs developed gastrointestinal signs and died within 48 hours of exposure. Other breeders who used the same sources of food reported similar problems. The species of salmonella found in the gastric mucosa was identical to that found in the chicken. Salmonella Heidelberg was cultured from the dead dogs as well as the chicken food source.36 The BARF myth that dogs can somehow "handle" contaminated foods is simply that; a myth, unfounded in reality, and dangerous in its application. 

Pay attention sueinnc...she asked me why and i gave an answer...i'm not starting that waste of a debate

Well, I'm done sparring with Egsd. Sunsilver, it is common myth that chimps eat just bananas and leaves. If you research it their diet actually is similar to ours, or what we are recommended by nutritionists to eat:

Long-term observation studies have noted an incredible variety in chimpanzee diet. It is clear that this variety results from the desire for alternative foods, rather than the lack of a food supply large enough to satiate an individual, for a chimpanzee will almost always leave a food supply before its total depletion in search of a different food source (Goodall, 1986). Vegetative mass comprises the bulk of chimpanzee diet. Scientists have recorded 158 plant varieties eaten regularly by chimpanzees. According to meticulous observations, the average chimpanzee diet is composed of 25% leaves and leaf buds, 27% of other plant mass such as pith, seeds, blossoms, bark, and stems, and supplemented by the consumption of small prey. Within the category of small prey fall the prized red colobus monkey, bush pig, and birds’ eggs, as well as the dietary staple of insects. Chimpanzees have also been noted to eat small amounts of soil, which is hypothesized to provide necessary minerals and vitamins, such as halite and sodium chloride. (Goodall, 1986)

http://www.personal.psu.edu/laz131/habitat.htm

Oh don't worry, I'm paying attention, I know better than to get in a pissing fight with a skunk.

Sure some dogs will die eating RAW. Some will die eating kibble. Some being walked accross the street by their owners. I have heard of dogs getting sick, poisoned, dying eatting bagged and canned foods. I could choke on my dinner tonight and you will all miss my posts. LOL Should I not have my kid eat apples becasue they are sprayed with pestacides? Nonsense, we try to buy local, fresh and natural. If not then I wash the apples. Having her eat ground apple sauce in a jar, could be healthier but who is to say how clean the facility they package it up in? Or what other additives they throw in?

I guess I could eat canned tuna or fillet that my friends caught. Oh Gosh though, I could get parasites or murcury poisoning! Do I settle for the can or take my chances? It's the same with kibble and RAW.

We do not live in a sterile environment.  The article eludes to "numerous deaths & disease" Really?  Where?  Vague references are scare tactics, not proof.  Why not let people research it for themselves, come to thier own conclusions and feed how they please. 

My son was telling me one day about an episode of myth busters he saw. I think it was myth busters. Anyway they put toothbrushes in different places all over the house and found that there was more e coli in the kitchen and living room than in the bathroom. Gross. They weren't laying on the surface where they would be in contact with a countertop but were upside down in cups just sitting out. And the majority of e coli? On the remote control. Almost enough to make ya give up surfing control on the remote.

I think you are forgetting about the contamination in dog foods lately. It is not just something like bacteria it is toxic waste, chemicals, things you can't just take a pill and get better.... yes the old and young are going to be more affected by anything, it has always been that way. I guess if people worry then they could wash then braze the meat. Or down right cook it, remove the bone and add bone meal from the health food store. That would be much better than most dog food IMO. All I know is in the last 3.5 years of feeding fresh, RAW, and human grade food my dogs haven't been to the vet except for rabies shots. Which I hate doing too. Except Yette had some weird thing with her jaw not closing and we think it was from an inner ear infection, she also got stung by a wasp and it made her face swell. But no digestive issues, chewing, itching, diarhea etc.