importing pups from europe - Page 1

Is it difficult to import a pup from Germany or Belgium? what should i expect from each country if i buy from either? what about the pup's pedigree? i hear stories of people who have their pedigrees on hold for whatever reason so the only thing they have is a pup or young dog already with no accreditation whatsoever, any comments are appreciated, thank you kosta

Having been through it I would advise buying from your home country. Any line you want is available in your home country and probably at a lesser price. Same lines but lesser price. There are very few avenues for you to follow if things do not go well with an out of your country purchase. It can go very well but it can go very badly and you will have very limited resources to get it "fixed" if it goes badly. I have three from Germany and it went well (so far, still waiting on the SV registration and then have to deal with the AKC registration). What a pain and expense. I wish I would have purchased pups born in my country. Love the dogs though. If you have to purchase from another country, do not do it on your own. Use a broker from your country that has a good reputation of importing dogs/pups. Lots of pups available already "here" that were born in other countries but the paperwork is still quite a hassle.

hi kosta, if i send a puppy to other countrie i ask for money. if i have the money (inclusive shipping and airporttransfert) i organize a flight. and bring dogs to airport. its an easy thing ... if i have than the pedigree from the SV i will send with post to the new owners. kind regards, nadine www.venusmond.de

Good advise from Do Right. I have been waiting 7 months for my pup's papers and she was born here (bred in Austria). I do love her to death but would have to agree that there are a lot of great dogs right here including rescues that really need a good home.

Hello Kosta, i assume that you are located in the US. It is not very complicated when it comes to shipping a pup to the US. If the pup is younger then 12 weeks old, it only needs the required shots up to that age. ( meaning for entering the US there is no rabiesshot required). It will need a international Healthcertificat that has to be obtained from an authorized Vet. It will be different when the pup is over 12 weeks of age. Then it has to have the rabiesshot, which has to be applied at least 3o days before entering the US. To your question about the pedigree paperwork (pink SV papers) i can tell you that it works the folowing way : After the 50th day of age of the puppys a breeder will have the pups tatooed. Now the breeder will send in the paperwork to the SV. The paperwork includes : Deckbescheinigung (Studcertificat),Wurfmeldeschein (Whelping cert. stating amount of pups,gender, coulor)Tatoo certificat,(now the individual pup is linked to a certain tatoo - Nr.). Now the breeder has to wait for the SV to recheck everything send in and to produce the SV Papers. (pink SV - Pedigree). The reason for the paperwork to be send to the breeder instead as to send them directly to the new owner of the pup is as follows. The breeder has to sign the pedigree on the front page to certifie that he indeed was the breeder of that pup and that it was bred in compliance with the SV rules. Second the breeder has to sign the pup over to the new owner on the last page. Then the breeder can send the SV papers to the new owner. This can take up to 3 month after all paperwork is submitted to the SV. One thing i would like to mention is, that after big shows as Bundesiegershow or other simular shows, the SV is so overwhelmed with paperwork that it can take longer for the breeder to receive the paperwork back. There is no incentive for a breeder to withhold paperwork that is allready out of the house. It can only be that a breeder has a lot to do and it may take him a while to send the pedigree of. Hope i was able to clear some things up for you. If you have further Questions contact me under this E-mail : Ulli@vom-sankt-martiner-tal.de i tried to correct the address listed on here,as it wont work no more, it just wont let me. This rules above apply for Germany. Regards Ulli Dresbach

I have had mixed results from importing more negative than good. Puppy's are a crap shoot from any kennel but to see them in person helps greatly. The paperwork comes slow but it will come this is part of it so that should not be a problem, the quality of the puppy is the issue. There are many good kennels here in the US to get a quality puppy from and any time you have the chance to look at the puppy yourself this is always a plus. Do right and fear no one is totally correct if the hips are bad/elbows, etc try and return the puppy or get a refund, lots of luck on that one. If you just want a import puppy then I have a list of good people to deal with one in Belgium and one in Denmark but again why not chose a good breeder here.

buy a pup or dog from reputed person n they r so many in germany,never go to dealers .

i imported one from germany and one from belgium and had no trouble with either. both dogs flew out of frankfurt. if you can find what you want in the u.s. you won't have to deal with customs, but if you still want to import make sure the seller knows what he is doing. most folks in belgium and germany use gradlyn as an export service. once again, i had no trouble there. yes, paperwork does take some time, but unless you are importing to re-sell right away, what's the big deal? as far as cost difference.....they flucuate so much. here in the states you can spend anywhere from 500 to 3000 on an 8 wk pup. i think you will find euro pups to fall within that range as well. it has not been my experience that transportation costs are all that much different either. bottom line - get what you want and then make sure all details are covered. **i have found europeans very easy to work with and they try very hard to get what you are asking for in terms of temperament and abilities. i have found that i get what i ask for, but in buying domestically i have found that i get what i get. - pjp

Hi Alabama, i agree with you , there are good breeders / kennels in the US. Of course you are right, to take a look at the pups is always the best choice. Lets say one lives in Florida finds a pup out of a certain line in California ..... one heck of a trip !Once more you are right, the quality of the pup is the issue. But then again lets put in the right perspective ..... that issue you can have everytime, no matter where you buy the dog ! I know you have read all stuff on this board as well. If it comes to a dispute about the health of a dog, many times it does not make a difference in what country you bought the dog. I cannot speak for every other breeder, but i do know that the breeders i work with, will do what ever they can to work something out that will be acceptable for both sides.This includes myself, no sense in having a disgrunteld owner sitting somewhere in the world and bit****g about me ! Regards Ulli Dresbach

Ulli, You are right I have nightmares from a cetain breeder in Belgium when buying green dogs from when I sold them to several customers and the hips were bad, elbows were bad he did not back me up even tho he made the money from the sale of the dog. I had to refund the entire amount to every customer and all he said was it never limped here. Then again when dealing with Johnny Degens (not a breeder) he will scout a puppy.green dog for me and give me good advice on whether to buy or not after he sees the dog/puppy. I have learned the hard way who to deal with and whom to stay clear of but the money is still out as I did the refunding to the customer myself but he lost all of my business and we did a fair amount at one time. Anything bought from me whether I breed it or imported it we stand behind and will continue to do so but it was a eye opener for me. I know a fellow kennel owner a friend of mine who paid 11,500 for Sch3 male and he came and ate him to pieces, he calls the girl whom she imported from and they would not even let him send it back for re sale and he was out all that money and had to let the dog go with full disclosure of bad temperament for 1,000 a big loss. So if you are importing it pays to know a history on that kennel for sure. I just like seeing the dog before I buy it or having Johnny take a look for me.