I'm Thinking about Buying a Pup from Ayers Long Coat GSDs? - Page 4

Shilo's & King Shepherds ....Well, we ain't got none of that. We ain't got no lemonade neither!

Northside Kings Represent, Yo!

I always *facepalm* when I see breeders calling heavy-boned, over-sized, long coated dogs "old fashioned" german shepherds. Last time I checked, none of those looked a thing like the original type for the GSD.

There are a few herding breeds from Germany that resemble GSDs, but are not. Altdeutcher Shaferhund, and the "cow hund" come to mind, though at this hour I'm totally blanking on the correct name for the cow hund.

I do not see the point in creating pet-type spinoff breeds; lots of great pets are produced by reputable breeding programs, dogs that for whatever reason aren't show or working quality. Breeding for pets seems like shooting for a C-average in school. I can't fathom why anyone would shoot for a lower standard... Especially when shelters are full of great PET dogs that would love to be someone's best friend.

Virtually everyone breeding quality GSD's will have coats in at least some and probably most of their litters.  Why not get a dog from someone who breeds for things like health, structure and temperament rather than someone whose only real criteria is long hair?  As a GSD, it'll be a big enough dog and every coat I've been around had great temperament...I think of them as the surfer dudes of the GSD world.

Well stated Keith!

It does not matter whether one calls these dogs some breed name. People misname all kinds of things, including dogs. As many have already told the OP, the dogs you are looking at do not come close to meeting the standard for GSDs. If that doesn't matter, fine.

One cannot state that these dogs will or will not be healthy. We have no way to judge. Nor is it clear that the breeder of these dogs ever does anything to check health status or hips or anything else. Buying any living thing is always a risk. Sometimes one wins and the living thing propers for its life, and at other times it does not. In the end, most dogs end up having some sort of health problem during its life, including well-bred excellent examples of the breed.

However, what is absolutely clear by looking at the web site is that this is a person who is not knowledgeable about GSDs and uneducated or just plain unethical in making claims he/she should realize are not correct. These dogs are poor examples of the breed called GSDs, period. We could haggle all day as to whether they are anything more than mutts with some GSD blood in them.

I suspect the breeder knows little about temperament and how to judge it. Reading the web site makes anyone with even a little knowledge cringe. If you had really looked at a lot of dogs, and had experience with the GSD breed, you should have immediately recognized a problem about the claims this person makes. 

What is absolutely obvious to anyone who looks at this site is that this is a puppy mill. She is busy now dumping her older breeding females so she can keep four new females to breed the hell out of. 

If the OP wants a dog with the qualities she states, I suggest she can find those kinds of dogs in most shelters and rescues across any state. You should consider saving yourself some money because you are not likely to get anything more than what you will get out of a shelter or rescue and it will be a lot cheaper going elsewhere.

The OP came here asking for our experience with the breeder. Surely by now the OP realizes that none of the serious GSD people here would be purchasing a dog from this person for all the reasons stated. You can bet this person breeds and breeds and breeds, and you can also figure out why.

If you want to get a dog, any dog, go right ahead. But save yourself money and look elsewhere too because you are not really looking for a GSD. What you describe you want is not a GSD, for a variety of reasons already pointed out.   What should be paramount is that you get the dog you want and provide that dog with proper socialization, training, vet care and a forever home. If you need help, people here will probably be willing to help you. Just don't expect us to recommend someone who is a joke as far as the GSD breed goes. Yes, there are also many breeders here of GSDs who are poor excuses for breeders, are not knowledgeable, and are unethical and downright ignorant. They too are held up to scrutiny by those here who are serious about maintaining standards and preserving the qualities and characteristics of the breed.

In short, do what you like, but hopefully do whatever you do from an educated standpoint after you have done your "due diligence". 

I guess I'm a bit of a cynic, but I always view posts like these as a set up. Always made by a new member and always advocating a specific kennel.
 
This happens a couple of times a year with the "my friend has a GSD called a Shiloh or a (choose your off standard color) GSD.

They always claim to be "newbies" looking for advice but are always armed with a defense for the dog they are advocating.

If one wants a long coat, they can be had from most breeders, from titled, breed surveyed, h/e certified dogs. Even the most novice person should be able to understand that these things have merit.

If you just want to promote "Ayers long coat GSD", (my opinion only) I think you have stepped into a little more knowledgeable community than you realize.

Rik

To nitricxlove:  You are entitled to your own opionion and get whatever dog you want. I would ask what you intend on doing and what you want from the dog. But from what you say those maybe the type you want but why not go to shelters and see what great GSD's are at shelters. Some may be there because they are not the standard and may be bigger or with less drive. It might save on the cost of a new puppy from a breeder and it might also slow down the supply and demand of such breeders. But whatever road you take. Do lots of research and good luck.
Reggie

Wow well I appreciate all the attention this thread has been getting but honestly, I had just wanted to know if anyone had dealt with this breeder before. For those of you who have been recommending shelters, both of my cats were adopted from the local shelter as well as my current dog (a mutt with some GSD lines in there). 

My dog is a loveable oaf, a couch potato and I was just looking for another dog with a smiliar personality, thats all. Since I love the looks of the GSD I considered buying from Ayers because she breeds them (or dogs that look like them) and theyre claimed to be laid back. Perfect for my boy at home. OKay so maybe you couldnt exactly call them GSDs, fine. But does that mean that they arent good dogs to have as pets?

I did do some light reading about the Shiloh and it seems as though they have a high, working drive similar to the GSD. Thats what Im lead to believe

 Better keep reading nitricxlove. You will want to be more careful in your choice of what you believe. Shilohs hardly have a reputation for working drive.....unless someone doesn't understand what it is, or just wants to write BS. 

Again, I think most here wish you well with whatever dog you get, but you want to get something that is an anathema to a GSD. Someone can call an apple and orange, but that doesn't make the apple and orange.

Good luck in finding a dog you like, whatever you are led to believe it is called, or you wish to call it. Loving your animals is really wonderful.

Search the messageboard for this kennel.  They were the ones who kept the fighting going on last year, this board was littered with their BS.  I can't believe nobody else remembers!