I'm Thinking about Buying a Pup from Ayers Long Coat GSDs? - Page 2

No, not trolling, just kinda lost here. Question: all this about breed standards etc right? But domestic dogs are an altered species in its own respects right? And what of mixed breed dogs? They arent within any breed standard but that doesnt make them any less of a better dog than a purebred. So whats the problem with altering an established breed a little bit?

Thats what I dont get. Sorry for my ignorance but Im really trying to understand this.

 I don't know this kennel, but I've had both working lines and show lines.  When I take my dogs out, all are friendly with children and strangers.  All will also not be afraid to step up to the plate if I am threatened.  All will bark and not let someone in unwelcomed.  And all will play with people if I invite them in.  My neighbors love my dogs and their kids come over all the time, but strangers steer clear of my house.  They are impressive to look at and within the standard.  They all are great house pets too.  Of course you do have to exercise them in some way even if it is only throwing a ball.  You want friendly, get it at 8 weeks from a good quality breeder and socialize constantly everyday.  Your dog will be very trustable with strangers, yet know how to recognize a real threat.  All of my dogs are like that.  Meet the parents if you can.  If the parents are afraid of you or growl and raise their hair with the owner there, I wouldn't buy the puppy.

Most of us on this board do not want to see the breed altered in any sort of way. We advocate to keep the breed as it was intended to be by the creator of the breed....Max von Stephanitz. This is very important to us. So to see people who are breeding GSDs that are out of the standard lights a fire inside. (at least for me) Although it may not seem like a big deal to you. If you really do you homework and study you will begin to understand.

The creator of the breed once qouted:

"The breeding of shepherd dogs MUST be the breeding of WORKING dogs. This must always be the aim or we shall cease to produce working dogs"

"oversize and undersize do not carry the proper size/weight proportion and affects the strenths avaliable"

Ayers kennel is not breeding for working dogs. They are breeding for oversized pets. Kennels like this are ruining the breed as we know it!

Thanks for your comment AtlantaWorkingDogs. This is the sort of thing I'm looking for and admire in a dog and I dont think whether the dog is within the breed standard or not should have anything to do with its tempermant.  

We couldve only had such a wide variety of dog breeds today because of people breeding for certain looks, traits, tempermant, etc so there shouldnt be any real problem if someone wants to take altering a bit further and breed their dogs to be a bit bigger for example, just for personal preference. We all know what the breed standard for the German Shepherd Dog SHOULD BE but if you prefer YOUR PERSONAL PET to be a bit larger then I dont see any problem with that. Especially if its just meant to be a family pet. Maybe Im not looking for a working dog, maybe I just want a pet that happens to look like a GSD, fine then thats my preference.
 
Anyways, this post wasnt meant to be a debate. I just wanted to find out if anyone on here had any experience with this breeder, thats all :)

nitricxlove  -   You may like a Shiloh Shepherd.  Large, Long-haired and not high-drive.   They are gorgeous dogs.   Sunsilver (a member here) owns a Shiloh and she could advise you on them.  Get the dog that YOU want and that will make YOU happy.   Good Luck.

Sounds simple to me...

Your looking for a BIG dog= not a GSD
Your looking for a low drive dog= Not a GSD
Your not looking for a working dog=Definitely NOT a GSD!

More info for you....same topic.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins_read/408405.html

 "I dont think whether the dog is within the breed standard or not should have anything to do with its tempermant."

Temperament is part of the breed standard.

nitricxlove - You may like a Shiloh Shepherd. Large, Long-haired and not high-drive. They are gorgeous dogs. Sunsilver (a member here) owns a Shiloh and she could advise you on them. Get the dog that YOU want and that will make YOU happy. Good Luck.

Yes they are quite lovely. Ill have to do some research on them later. Thanks for the suggestion. ;)
Your looking for a low drive dog= Not a GSD Your not looking for a working dog=Definitely NOT a GSD!
All the GSDs I've grown up with were very low drives and were not working dogs. Not all GSDs are going to have high drives etc. Nature just doesnt work that way. Hence why I'm looking for GSDs that were bred to have low drives.

Here is a Link for you on the Shiloh Shepherd


www.shilohshepherds.org/

Long coats -with undercoat - have been accepted back onto the GSD..........USA is including them in the sieger show in Dallas.........they will be judged in a by them selves......the SV has created new breed books just for them.

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