Nero Nobachtal enquiry - Page 1

Hi everyone, hope that you can help. Has anyone had puppies, or heard of pups, that are grandchildren of Nero and had problems with Elbows when both the parents have been ED normal (German ED normal)? Conversely, has anyone had a litter where the pups are now over 12 months and everything is fine? Nero's sons appear to be getting good stud use, so is there no perceived potential problem in Germany with Nero in the pedigree, or is everyone just hoping that there wont be problems with him as the grandsire? Thanks for your time.

I'm sure there are offspring out there with less than the best. There always is. The information I have is there's not a problem in the line. As you mentioned, it's very popular. I have 5 Campino pups one week old. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=398863&modir=126639

Dog1, nice choice for stud dog. How many males & females did you get of the five. You should get dynamic, extended & balanced movement and exceptional temperament. Let us know how they turn out.

I can't take the credit for choosing the stud. I learned a long time ago the breeders in the US including me are far removed from what's currently happening in Germany. The best bloodlines and most successful dogs are known there months before they are recognized here. So many thanks go to the judges that took the time to look at Laola and recommend males for her. There are 3 boys and 2 girls. We hope to have something to take to Germany next year.

With all due respect Dog1, but I do not know if I am comfortable with your last remark: "There are 3 boys and 2 girls. We hope to have something to take to Germany next year." I would hate to think the odds/idea of "1 PUP OUT OF 5 WOULD BE SOMETHING" should be pleasing to any breeder. I, for one, would hope ALL OF THEM could be taken to Germany to compete. And I would hate to think, a breeder would be satisfied if only 1 pup out of 5 would NOT be dysplastic. Gives me goosebumps.

Hi Jantie, if I had a litter of 5 I would be very pleased to get 1 that was good enough to go through all of the hurdles that our dogs have to go through - hips, elbows, breed survey, working qualifications etc - AND also be a great show dog. I would be very very pleased if the other 4 were lovely pets that went to great lifetime homes and were healthy with great temperaments and passed hips and elbows. Not every animal is top notch enough to show and only the best warrant the expense of competing in Germany! Good luck with your pups Dog1, I hope to see them at the Sieger Show in 2007!

for Jantie I have to agree with Khayem. 1 out of five is good. 2 out of five is great. 3 out of five is what we all dream about. More..... I am afraid that somebogy will wake me up. Dog 1 Good luck with your dogs, may they all compete at BSZS.

Jantie, Dog1 didn't say he'd be happy if only 1 out of 5 pups was not dsyplastic. And, if 1 out of ANY litter of 5 pups can do Germany, you are on a hot streak. Jantie, take a step back, be quiet, read, learn, and THEN venture into the territory of opening your mouth.

Hi all Here is an extract from the SV site about Nero. Chris Statement of the Breed Registry of the German Shepherd Dog Association (SV) After the Breed Registry was informed that the dog “Nero vom Nöbachtal, SZ-Nr. 2080775” had covered bitches abroad, the SV managing committee decided to give the following advice to the relevant associations abroad, and moreover to the bitch owners in Germany, warning them of the offspring of “Nero vom Nöbachtal” which were born after the 9th August 2004 (date on which the offspring registration ban legally came into effect). The associations abroad were told that since we have now discovered that the dog Nero vom Nöbachtal is to be used in their country as a stud dog, we would like to point out that an offspring registration ban has been imposed by the SV on this dog since 09th August 2004. Therefore offspring from this dog, even if they are registered in their country in the breed register, will not be included in our breed register. This means that should an application be made for offspring from this dog to be registered in the SV Breed Register, it will be rejected by us with reference to the relevant regulations. This means, de facto, that these dogs will also be banned from registering in the German Breed Register (breeding prohibited). In order to be able to register dogs in Germany in the Breed Register, it is necessary, in accordance with Paragraph 4.1.1 of the Breeding Regulations, that the parent animals are themselves included in the SV Breed Register. The exhibition of these dogs is also not possible, since the SV does not judge the confirmation itself, but instead gives a breed assessment, and in accordance with the conformation show rules, dogs which have an offspring registration ban imposed on them are not permitted to take part in conformation shows of the SV. This applies to all dogs that are fathered by Nero vom Nöbachtal after the offspring registration ban came into force. We would be grateful, if the foreign associations were also to decide to impose an offspring registration ban, since this would certainly be opportune in protecting bitch owners.” The Breed Registry of the SV

Jantie, I expect them to all be healthy happy puppies and live many years serving the needs of their owners be it companionship or competition. Since the pups are only a week old, it's difficult to tell if there are any good enough to represent Campino next year in his progeny group. There are not many litters born in the US that have the potential this litter has. Campino being from what is becoming recognized as a top producing line including the S Fiemereck and M Osterberger Land litters. As far as the motherline goes. Brother Larus is world champion from a strong motherline in the J Batu litter. Things look good so far, but reality is,,,There's a lot that has to happen between now and then. Changing subjects from Nero to producing something good enough to go to Germany.... All breeders hope breeding the best produces a winner in whatever their goals are. Sometime this happens. Many times it does not. But it helps to start with something you think is good in the beginning. Take a look at what has to happen to get any dog from puppy to just show at the world championship. There's the breeding to hopefully produce something that if it is good, the pedigree has enough substance behind it to be considered good. There's the transition between puppy and young where the teeth, testicles, color, ear set, etc., need to come in. Then there's the puppy's aptitude. Is it strong enough to make it through the training and be a confident, reliable, working dog and worth the effort to train, show, and breed. Even if the dog has the potential, does the owner have the knowledge and resources to dedicate to the dog. many a good dog has fallen by the wayside from the owners inability to campagin and train the dog. Once this is all in place. Is the dog good enough to send to Germany to compete? Of all the litters produced in the US, there are only a handfull of pups from those litters that ultimately make the grade and are good enough to compete each year. Probably about 5 or 6.