Is there any American-line GSD breeders here. For example Woodside kennel. - Page 5

It is true that some very top Am. s/l breeders now attempt to introduce the German lines into their dogs.  This has very little to do with preference. If it was preference, then they would not have spent the last 40 years breeding away from the German dog.

It is because they have bred themselves into a deep hole and hope the German dog can some way dig them out. 

They are not breeding to the German dog because they suddenly wake up to what a GSD should be.

It is because of generation after generation of breeding for gait only, ignoring any semblance of character, ignoring any type health issue if the dog can gait. Generations of awarding Grand Victor, select and championships to dogs with such poor character that they must have an escort into the ring to prevent anyone approaching and spooking the dog. Grand Victors with known elbows that will not certify. Selects with tails bouncing off the hocks.

It is because they have produced such a poor product that shows that at one time had 100+ dogs are now down to 5 or less. Some have gone out of business.

The goose that laid the golden eggs, and supplied so much profit for many for so many years, they have choked.

It is true that one can fool all the people some of the time, but that time has passed. 

KCz description of the Am. Show Shepherd is the way it is.

JMO,
Rik

gsd101, you sound young.  By all means get yourself and American line pup if you wish.  We all start somewhere, and it would be a great learning experience for you.  Try your pup in PP. 

All I ask, is you keep in touch with us and tell us how it is going. :)

 I want to say this:

I learned a lot from this forum, I am still learning. I saved a lot of money I could have wasted thanks to many people over here because I made less mistakes and better choices. Here we find expertise in all aspects of dog info. There are people here who offer help with nothing in return while elsewhere others are making a lot of money for consultations whether they work out or not, whether genuine or not. I take the chance to thank and show some appreciations to all the members who offer us help free of charge and free of personal interests. THANK YOU & THANK YOU again and again really and may GOD bless all of you.

Ibrahim

just curious how many of you that posted on this thread are applying for their judging license,or even come close to it,ken tank is&has,he tried to present this topic clearly and stated the facts,kudos to you ken,and by the way awesome job on your judging assignment in muncie this august,gee,funny i saw more that 5 dogs there!i think you drew a major entry.i also did not see any dogs having any issues in the ring,standing for exam solid,etc.you had a decent bunch of dogs shown to you,i was there showing dobermans for clients,but watched your judging,as i have am. show line&also czech working line dogs,and wanted to watch my friend,kent boyles handle a few dogs,then later get his sch.1,ipo1.kkl dog out to show me for breeding,to one of my czech bitch,much nicer company that day,than at the sch club,with all the instant overnight expert macho guys,who import all their dogs,trained to a nine!ken knows a good gsd,is a good gsd,irregardless,he is also very highly respected in the gsd world,ken,i just finished my bailey son,out of a rollinsxmuggles dau.,in sept. now he is going for his bh,he has extreme ball drive,good bite drive and tracking is coming along,wish us luck!fellow gsdca member,breeder, exhibitor,trainer of over 30 yrs. 

hello windborne, It is not my intention to speak poorly of the individual members and dogs who represent the breed well.

I do not feel so benevolent about the stewardship provided the GSD in the U.S. by the GSDCA. Many here do not have experience with AKC/GSDCA.

One thing I feel they may find interesting is that one can become a "judge" of the GSD, awarding championships and determining the direction of the breed, without ever having owned, trained or bred a GSD. They need only pass an exam from AKC to add the GSD to their approved to judge list.

I do meet the requirements set to qualify as a judge. many do, they are not that stringent. Also I have bred/owned and or finished dogs in 3 AKC breeds. The views I have and present are mine, and not gained through reading posts and opinions of others.

There is no need for anyone to try and explain the merits of the American Show Shepherd. They need only present these dogs so good for work and their accomplishments. They need only present the list of health and character requirements for the GSD to obtain the highest awards.

Rik