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by Steve Schuler on 13 September 2010 - 15:09
You are a Special Person, Jenn!
The sole and only point that I wanted to make in my initial post was that there probably is not a "one size fits all" strategy, a single method or means to manage all dogs in the same manner that everybody should employ. And yes, Stuff Happens...
Stuff happens to all of us no matter how well intentioned or careful we are. In the course of our lives we all, at least most of us, have God, our Lucky Stars, or whatever...to thank for not having more screw-ups than we do. I guess I can really only speak for myself, but as I look about me I find this generally to be true.
I am sure that there was no implication in the brief comment that I made that irresponsibility should be lauded or encouraged. It would take a Special Person to conclude from anything that I've written that I thought sitting around the campfire singing "Kumbaya" while the dogs wreaked havoc on each other was a tolerable state of affairs.
There is a certain rich irony to this particular turn in this thread. I did not anticipate your hyper-defensive response to my choice of using some of your experience to illustrate a point. It's kind of funny, because I thought that you in some ways exemplified a thoughtful and careful person trying to reduce risks as best they could with the dogs that they have. Even a person such as yourself has created, has been responsible for, situations that could have had very bad consequences. Do you have any idea how quickly a German Shepherd can dispatch a Chihuahua? I'm sure you do. And I am also sure that, if you were honest with yourself, in the course of your experience and history with your dogs that there were moments in time when something like that could have occured. Why else would have decided that you needed to keep your dogs separated? Does that make you an irresponsible person? I don't think so. But that's just me, somebody else might have a different opinion.
I think that you might enjoy "Stupid Conflict" more than I do. Yep, this entire exchange of our falls pretty firmly into that category of discussion by my standards. But Hey, nobody but Me complelled me to engage or participate in this banality.
Hold Fast to that High Horse, Jenn!
SteveOOOOO
Still Laughin'!!!
by Jenni78 on 13 September 2010 - 16:09
Quoted from SteveO's post: It would take a Special Person to conclude from anything that I've written that I thought sitting around the campfire singing "Kumbaya" while the dogs wreaked havoc on each other was a tolerable state of affairs.
Clear example of how you simply don't understand what I write, cited above. LMAO.
This is not "stupid conflict" (no need to capitalize); this is me simply making sure that no one else reads your ridiculous interpretations of my written words and thinks they have any bearing whatsoever on reality.
How else would I know I should separate my dogs???! Is that a serious question? Are you f'ing kidding me?! You think that damage has to occur before youknow you should separate? You think that threats have to occur before you can see enough to know you will need to separate? OMG. This is the mentality and that causes issues like this poor Poodle's death.
How did I know w/out anyone getting hurt that I would need to separate Widge from Caleb when Caleb matured? It's a new thing I like to call READING THE DOGS! It includes such preposterous notions that you can glean insight into a dog's temperament and how s/he will interact w/another one by watching for posture changes, paying attention to tail sets, stares, ear flicks, ear sets, and other things people seem to be totally oblivious to! No real reason to wait for hackles, growls, and all out brawls.
When you take responsibility for your animals, they realize that you will protect them and you are in charge, and they are FAR less likely to take matters into their own hands. Just a little tidbit.
Again, feel free to continue to address me specifically, but I'm only continuing to post (what could be deemed useful information by some) for the new or inexperienced people reading and their dogs. You're getting rather annoying with your incessant misguided rebuttals. Why is this personal to you? Nevermind...don't answer that. I would prefer to keep the topic related to DOGS and PREVENTING DEATHS IN DOGS.
by VanessaT on 13 September 2010 - 16:09
In terms of breaking up a fight, I've heard the most effective way of doing it is to lift the dogs' hind legs up as this diminishes their power to hang on to the other dog and keeps you away from the business end. Hope never to have to test the theory though.
by Steve Schuler on 13 September 2010 - 16:09
It may not be apparent to you, but you are in hole that you cannot dig your way out of....
Anything I might say further on this matter could only be observations on your own deficits of reason and character, and what would be the point of that? My "misguided rebuttals" have essentially been reiterations of the simple points I was trying to convey in my intial post. It is not worth my while to point out the multiple logical fallacies and failures in your discussion, not to mention your generous reliance on ad hominems to try to create the illusion of a position of moral superiority.
You Really Are A Special Person!
I know, no need to capitalize all of that, but it is sometimes done for emphasis.
Happy Trails!
SteveO
by tuffscuffleK9 on 13 September 2010 - 16:09
This was a killing waiting to happen. Due to the prior incident between the 2 dogs that resulted in serious injuries to the weaker of the two (the poodle),
The owners could have possibly tried: Separation between the two. Possibly reconditioning. But not allowed the two to be together unrestrained or unsupervised.
I have two male shepherds, 1 yr old and 3 yr. old, both have strong prey and play drives. I do not allow the two of them to be together without both being restrained and each having a separate handler. Why? Because I know with their drives if they had a chance to get together the older more dominant dog would exert his dominance over the younger dog. Neither dog shows this behavior around the females. This is not so much an aggression issue as a pack issue.IMO.
Besides - I'm the one with the bigger brain - So, shouldn't I recognize this behavior and handle it so all will be safe? I think so!
TUFF
by Jenni78 on 13 September 2010 - 19:09
Mismanagement all around, and I hope the GSD gets a great home.
Tuff, yeah. That's the way it's supposed to be. You're supposed to recognize the behavior, or potential for behavior and handle it so that all will be safe. Seems that common sense is up for debate around here lately.
by LadyFrost on 13 September 2010 - 19:09
by Jenni78 on 13 September 2010 - 19:09
by MVF on 13 September 2010 - 22:09
by Steve Schuler on 13 September 2010 - 22:09
God Help Me!
I'm trying to bite my tongue, but I just can't contain myself....
In answer to your question; Yes! Yes you can make that recommendation. And I think that Common Sense might concur that is a grand and just proposition!
Laugh if You are Able!
I Am.....
SteveO
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