Okar von Karthago - Page 1

Dear Friends: Please suffer a newbie, here. First, how do I cross reference a pedigree search with a breeder who has the dog or its progeny? I was very taken with Okar von Karthago and progeny. How do I find a breeder in North America who might have Okar von Karthago progeny? -- Molly

Hi Molly and welcome. I did a google search on Okar and there are plenty of hits. You could also goto Okars pedigree on this site and hit the progeny button and do a google search on the individual progeny. Hope you find what you are looking for. Kyle

Dear Ajay Singh, I did a web search on "NZ" hips so I wouldn't have to bother you, but just kept coming up with New Zealand. So I will take the lazy route and ask you -- what does NZ hips mean and how likely is this to be passed on through the lineage. Its strange how one picture among many of a dog can just leap out at you, and Okar and his lineage did. (Picture was on RealGSD.com feature on working GSD dogs). Thank you Ajay. -- Molly

P.S. Ajay - I zoomed up to your website - your dogs are beautiful. Too bad you are so far away. And I will remember your term - the Golden Middle. I like it. Thanks. -- Molly

Could I have your comments for this male? Has anyone seen him in 2005 Ulm BSZS? Is he "correct" sized or a typical over sized V-rated male? How about his pigment?

NZ = HD-noch zugelassen which means mildly dysplastic. You should be very careful of it, dysplastic puppies can pop up from breeding on a dog with this rating. Email me if you have questions. Take a look at this website: http://home.sprintmail.com/~impactgsd/astamp1.html It can make comparisons between the different hip evals in the different countries and make some explainations concerning them. Veronica

AKVeronica, I would think that site to be a bit biased. After all..they say that a2 hips are suspicious of HD and would barely certify as OFA Fair in the states. Molly, google is a very good search engine, searching there for dogs that you are interested in will help a lot. Jeff

sorry, that link above is bunk. Not everything that you read on the net is true, just because someone puts it there. Only a small portion of the SV HDa-stamped GSDs these days have a3 (noch zugelassen) hips, the breed average is at about 12%. Many of these dogs will not end up in the breeding pool anyways because popular opinion does not allow for it any more. A good performer should certainly be considered IMO, because a dog has more to contribute than hips. A dogs own HD status is also no guarantee of the HD status of their offspring. Most famous a3 dog Jeck Norricum produced more a1 than the breed average, and far more of his offspring has been a-stamped than of many other dogs. You will be hard pressed to find a direct decendant of Okar or Orloff (also great performer) these days, and if so they will be older dogs themselves. Dogs out of that O-Karthago litter will appear in the 2nd or 3rd generation at best. The boys of the O-Karthago litter were not so fortunate in the a-stamp department. 3 brothers with a3 hips, one with a2. Both sisters came back with a1. Okar did reproduce slightly below breed average for a-stamps, but his brother Orloff, also a3, produced much better than average - with nearly 48% of his offspring actually a-stamped and no a5s, no a4s, only 9% a3, and 67% a1s. Shows very nicely that the individual a-stamp result does not predict what will happen to the offspring. But a dog is more than its hips, the lines are certainly worthwhile contributions. Both of these brothers were still going strong at an advanced age and both sired pups almost to age 10. Randas next litter with Troll (Fero son) (O-litter was Randa x Fero), produced 7 pups, all who were screened and 5 came back with a1, 2 with a2.

a friend has a litter planned which will be i think 3-3 on othello should be interesting, i have heard that othello was more serious then okar, anyone else hear this? btw othello also was nz

NZ does NOT mean mildly dysplastic. NZ, "noch zugelassen" means STILL ALLOWED, and it's comparable to OFA Fair, not meaning dysplastic. Germans do NOT breed dysplastic dogs to MY knowledge (at least not these days) LOL Good luck!