Dominance problems with 14m old Crok grandson - Page 2

GSDBRISKO, When I read your post you described my bitch to the tee.Everything you are going through is exactly what I have been through and I am still trying to fix the issues,and she is now 3yrs old. SHe has much improved but only because of my trainer and what he has been trying to tell me since she was 10mos it finally sunk in " With a dog like her AT ALL TIMES BE CALM,CONSISTANT and EVERYTHING must be BLACK and WHITE give him an inch and he will take 10 feet. Be very fortunate to have a dog like him, I know I am because they don't come around to often,so I am told. You mentioned your dog taking the ball back to the car,don't let him do that anymore take it away before you get back to the car because mine did the same thing and she assoiciated the car with a fight and her ears would go back everytime when we approched the car now we have no problems because no ball no fight and everyone is happy. I only have 1 dog but if I had two I would never let them together ever,especially with the kind of dog you have,he is still young and not fully mature but when he is I would be VERY careful. What ever you do hang in there and don't give up, I almost did and decided that I was going to do it no matter what and it has payed off. I waited too long to fix MY issues (not my dog's since it was not her fault I did not know what I was doing} and I will probably always have some kind of issues but we are a team and we will work through it. Good luck to you and your dog.

hi you are welcome to e-mail me and i will help you --- BTW i laughed at a lot of these comments that i am reading here --- without reading this dog it may have nothing to do with dominance --- the out was simply taught incorrectly !! that simple-- the solution --- the dog needs to understand that outing is in it's interest and upoin hitting that interest and outing you reinforvce the out for what the dog needs and wants -- perhaps another chance to bite and fight - many people here are making this a conflict issue when indeed you may have one hell of a dog !! it's a behavioral issue foremost

It may or may have been behavorial but it maybe looking to be or become a conflict and you do not want conflict with a dog like this one,I know because I have the exact same type of dog. It is not to late for this dog if the training is done right. Having the right trainer/helper will be the answer..and the handler having the right frame of mind and patience.

correct jettasmom -- this dog/situation handled incorrectly will create more problems --also i agree with your post entirely ... not to late with this dog perhaps ... BUT the handler , helper and training [teaching/reading of the dog ] MUST be executed correctly.

I agree 100%.I do not know what the handler wants or is doing with this dog for the future but the issues she is having needs to be addressed NOW She needs an excellent helper with alot of experience for a dog like this, one little mistake could have a long lasting effect.

Let me give you a suggestion for the out to start with that we use alot. Put the dog on a tie back. this is for the safety of your decoy. Give him his bite, command him to out, when he doesn't your decoy just stands there with the dog on the sleeve. Patience is the key. It may take 20 minutes but the dog will eventually release the bite as it is no longer any fun. Then tell him good boy and give him a bite again immediately. it may take a few sessions but it works. Do not keep repeating the out, just one solid command out. On your toy issue, try identical toys and trade him one for one, basically he has the one toy show him the second, make that one look more fun when he spits the one in his mouth give him the next one. couple of sessions of this and he will be spitting the toy out the second you show him the second one. Obedience- agree with the food. I use it too. It makes it a positive expierience. As far as aggression with your other dog, best bet is to keep them seperate. I currently have 7 personal dogs at home. There are some that get along and some that don't. I just know who can be out running around with who it is easier that way and less expensive at the vet. I agree you need to establish yourself as alpha, I have no problem chocking a dog out or helicoptering them. I have worked my fair share of handler aggressive dogs and you always have to be on gaurd. I will however tell you that always jacking the dog up can create a handler aggressive dog and the old choke and puke methods of training don't always work with a real high drive dog. Also constant corrections harsh ones can break a dog, we had a dutch mal at one of the sites i worked at, he would be the first one at the kennel door wanting to eat you. One of the trainers took him out and basically made him submissive, problem was he completely broke him, dog hidding in back of kennel. So temper your corrections with positive reinforcement.

Hi Jessica I have Matsch a brother to your dog. We outed him last week at club for the first time he let out immediately. I have been using the bite rool most of the time for obedience, and he can get out of hand and fight some but if I have a pinch on him he lets go. I started very early outing him. We played the two hose game as described in book Schutzhund obedience training in drive. So he sort of knows what out is. Actually I think my training director was not happy that he outed so fast as I think he likes a little fight. I have been training obedience and tracking a real lot. But that will end this week as I have to start working 7 days a week to try to stay on top of my bills. He is doing good as my low level of experience can get him. I can see problems with the dumbbell he chews some what and I can not get him to sit with it. As for dominating other dogs he was like that from 8 weeks old. At 12 weeks he was on one side of my fence and a doe was on the other side between her fawns. He would not back down and she stood her ground as she wanted to bring her fawns past my yard. I had a few incidents while training obedience with other dogs. One lady and her lab off lead came over for a visit. I had my pup on a long line he was about 6 months at the time. Well he jumped the bitch and tried to pound her to the ground while lightly gripping her neck. She ran away. Then the woman came back and said she takes her dog to the public park where there is a fenced in area where all the dogs run free. The woman said this was the first dog who put her in her place as she is the one who comes out on top most of the time. At that time I knew I had to work on this problem. So I gradually started training around this Aussie who is always at the park I train at. Everything was fine until one day this guy and his dog walked by my truck my dog ran over and even tho he was on a long line I could not get to it in time and grabbed the Aussie in the same manner light grip and pounding on its back. Since then I have worked on this issue and I do not think it is dog aggression. I can report to a judge with another dog no problem. But he will not tolerate another dog coming up to him. Well I will see you around also they will not be 14 months for 3 more weeks.

IN Bitework Magic is outing good, he learned real quick that when the decoy stops the fight starts again once he outs. He isnt dog aggressive, I am not to worried about this, the only problems i see with him and dogs are little foofoo dogs, he likes to get anything little fuzzy thing that moves. He is almost just being an ass with Brisko, assuming he is starting to feel his oats and wants to show his dominance of Brisko... I too started teaching out when he was a puppy and he was doing very good, i taught him this with a two balls on a rope and this still does work most of the time, Just sometimes he decided he just is not going to out and wont. LIke i said he is not bad yet, i just can see it escalating into someting really bad so want to get it under control now. Glad to hear Matsch is doing good. have a good night

I HAVE A CROK GRANDSON TAKE YOUR TIME DO NOT PUSH HIM.THEY LIKE TO FIGHT TRY TO KEEP HIM CALM.TEACH THE OUT AS A GAME.LOOK UP BERNARD FLINKS DVD ON GRIP-DRIVE AND FOCUS .GOOD LUCK

Sorry, Ed, but I must ask why you think that helicoptering a dog is OK? Just curious.