Nero vom Nöbachtal - progeny - Page 2

I had heard a rumor (not validated) that Nero had a small bone chip removed from one of his shoulders and that this was due to an injury and not genetic. But that for some reason such was a violation of the SV rules (maybe this isn't allowed or they weren't properly informed or something). I never saw Nero but I heard he had great temperament, color and confirmation and appeared to be a top producer before the ban. Maybe someone will provide the actual facts of what occured and the SV's reason for the ban. Perhaps the SV would state the reason if someone caled them and asked.

Videx or DH Did you contact SV yet for the real reason for the ban of this dog?

As far as I am aware NO DETAILS ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE BAN HAVE EVER BEEN PROVIDED - 'OFFICIALLY'. Suffice to say that I have been informed that Nero apparently underwent invasive surgery on his elbow or elbows when he was young and this came to the attention of the SV sometime later, following his VA success at the Sieger Show. A ban was imposed on Nero and all his progeny, which was later, lifted for his progeny ON THE BREED REGISTER prior TO 9th August 2004. Included was a condition that all registered progeny of Nero were required to obtain 'a' normal for elbows. Nero was sold to Taiwan and I understand has been used at stud their since the SV ban on him. It appears to me that the SV STATEMENT ABOVE makes sure that there is international awareness of the SV the position regarding Nero progeny born after the ban. The SV are also asking for support of foreign associations regarding the Nero offspring registration ban. It is important that GSD purchasers are aware of the DETAILS of the ban, so they can avoid any personal disappointment. It is also VERY IMPORTANT that those Nero progeny NOT AFFECTED by the ban do not suffer from any misunderstandings and uninformed rumours. Many Nero progeny have much to offer our breed.

I use a doctor in Bavaria to X-ray the hips, elbows, DNA, ect. He has been involved with the SV since he could walk, as his father was deeply involved with the SV. I asked him 4 months ago, when he X-rayed my Nero daughter about this and he said there were a lot of rumuors floating around, but he did not know the truth of the procedure performed. He said the ones to know would be the doctor's office that perform the procedure(whatever that procedure was). Stephen

I guess I just find it odd that they would ban Nero AND some of his progeny, but yet keep so closed-mouth about it. That just leads people to think the worst and isn't fair to the dog. The SV should 'come clean' IMO. ESPECIALLY to those people that HAVE his progeny, no matter what date they were born! I feel they have a right to know the facts! But I'm inclined to believe that it was not genetic issues because a date for the ban isn't going to matter... genetics are forever. Preston: Nero is all the things you mentioned..... He is poetry in motion.

soothsayersmaylive, yes I can agree with your statement about Nero's quality. Just consider who his sire was: VA4 Enzo Buchhorn. Enzo was a fabulous dog in his own right, deeply masculine, powerful correct movement, unbelievably correct working temperament (as hard a VA dog as there ever was except for Mutz Peltierfarm). Just consider the dogs he is line bred off of and it is no surprise why he was such a producer. He produced outstanding temperament like himself and excellent proportions with good movement and pigment. My own view is that the SV wishes to create and maintain the harsh myth that their rules are strongly enforced. Because this was a blatant violation of the "no bone surgery" rule and this was a blatant violation, it was a temptation they just coulden't refrain from and easily justified making a severe sanction against Nero (of course they refuse to enforce the absolute upper size limit on the males and the carp back (roach) deformities present in so many of their koerklassed dogs. Even so the final byproduct bred, certified and sold under SV rules is still high in quality in about 5% of the progeny and there is still world wide demand for their GSDs. Even with this very high cull rate, the temperament and mental capacity of most all their GSDs in general remains supreme in dogdom. Those that reach the highest level in the showring who display straight backs bring unbelievably high prices. Some kennels are known for a "no roach back" breeding policy. Batu kennels is one and has produced many dogs with correct backs. And there are many small breeders in Germany also who do not produce and show roach backs. The SV needs to institute another total ban on roachbacks the way Dr. Rummel did years ago, which pulled them out of the shows until his presidency was over.

I will not say this is true, it may well be urban myth, but I heard the "procedure" took place in Berlin, and the President and Vice President of the SV went to the clinic and asked to see the records surrounding that "procedure". But because said "procedure" had occured over a year earlier, the clinic did not have to surrender pertinent documents, and refused to do so. Like I said, it is probably urban myth, but everyone else is speculating, so there's my two cent. Stephen

Let's not forget that the owners of Norbo 'forgot' to inform that he had a bone surgery. And the reason for that is very obvious, it was not the first trick they pulled. Other people in this forum already pointed to this fact, should the owners be honest from the beginning Norbo never was 'angekort' in koerklasse 1 and never became 'VA' as excellent he may be. I dissagree with Mister Payne that Norbo offspring has much to offer to the breed as there are many, many alternatives available. The Enzo Buchhorn bloodline does not need Norbo to produce more promising offspring in the future. The Enzo son Yellow v St. Michaelsberg V12 2005) and grandson Nando v Gollerweiher (VA 9 2005) are examples of that.

Does anybody think that the Nero ban will have a deleterious effect on the success of the current top rated offspring in terms of stud service/producing ability or further success in the showring(i.e;a VA at the BSZS)? It will be interesting to see how high a Nero offspring can rise....hopefully very highly indeed , in my opinion!

Well ... my female Aischa von Quarin placed VA7 last year in Pittsburgh, currently she is still in Germany with her trainer, awaiting her first litter (bred to Orbit vom Huehnegrab). She has participated in several shows in Germany and is always in the top 4 (which is very good for a foreign owned dog). Her critique from several different judges, from her breed survey, comments from other show participants are all extremely positive. I do know Willi Stieger and Ingrid Moser very well, they are very good friends of mine. They were the owners of Nero and anyone who wants to know more - feel free to contact me, as I have first hand information from Willi and Ingrid, not rumors. This case is still in the German court system (which is very, very slow). No matter what, all I can say about my female, I am proud my dog placed VA7 at the age of 2 years and 3 weeks!!! No matter what, if she would have placed VA or not - for me the she is tops. It is very sad what rumors have done to the reputation of a great dog like Nero Noebachtal.