Shiloh Shepherds...Warlock/King Dobermans - Page 2

If you want to know the REAL story behind this breed, which is a breed UNDER DEVELOPMENT, please follow Tina Barber's link. She is the breed founder.

There are two types of Shilohs: those bred by Tina and the other !SSR breeders, and the "Shiloh Wannabee's" who are  Shilohs mixed with GSD's and being passed off as 'the real deal' 

Tina has followed a very careful, strict breeding program for many decades. She strives for the things all good breeders strive for: good temperment, health and conformation. All breeding dogs are x-rayed, but she does not post her results on the OFA website (her choice). Many Shilohs are Penn-hipped, so they will not be in the OFA database either.  All Shilohs are entered in a database that tracks genetic traits such as weak ears, temperment, colour, and medical problems such as hip dysplasia and EPI. Tina also keeps track of the COI, and none of her breeders are allowed to breed unless the COI is below a certain percentage, as these dogs still have a rather limited gene pool.

The ISSR Shilohs have had their own registry since Tina did her first outcross to a dog that was a mix of GSD and Malemute in 1990. Up until then, Shilohs were AKC registered GSD's. No true Shiloh is elegible for AKC registration. There have been only three other outcrosses since then: one to a white Shepherd (Hoofprint Orbit) and one to an Alte Deutscher Schaeferhund (Artus), and a third to a GSD that contained blood from one of the large herding breeds, most likely Sarplaninac.

What gets my goat are the people who are trying to sell their oversized GSD's or GSD mixes as Shilohs! 

These dogs CAN work.  Tina has titled them in Schutzhund, though that is definitely not their strong suit. Many become therapy dogs, medical service dogs, or SAR dogs. They make wonderful pets, and are protective of their families and properties, without being openly aggressive.

In once recent incident, a Shiloh owner was having work done on his  house. His dog was fine with the contractors, until one of them came back to the house when the owner was gone on an errand. The dog cornerned him, and would not let him move until the owner returned!

Just what you'd want in a family protector! 

I agree.  These dogs are not representative of GSDs at any point of history.  I wish the originator of the Shiloh Shepherd would just be honest for once and tell people these Shiloh Shepherds are something from her imagination.  She slaps Max v Stephanitz  in the face everytime she tells people Shilohs are somehow like old fashioned GSDs.  I believe he would have culled any dogs that looked like these Shilohs.

Uglydog:

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"I wish the originator of the Shiloh Shepherd would just be honest for once and tell people these Shiloh Shepherds are something from her imagination."

Tina started out trying to recreate the German Shepherd she rememberd from her childhood, instead of the pitiful, overangulated spooks that are currently being shown in the AKC showring.

Tina Barber is the third generation of her family to breed German Shepherds. What she remembers her grandmother and father breeding is probably a hell of a lot closer to Max's ideal that what we see in the showring today! Her grandmother wanted her dogs to be big, because they were used for protection by local merchants.

These Shilohs are NOTHING like what ANY GSD was supposed to at any time in it's history.  Saying they are better than the American line dogs just isn't true, they are equally as bad because they are not GSDs.  You are  deluded if you think what she is breeding is anything like any GSDs past, present or future, maybe out of her imagination, though.  I think Bob O hit the nail on the head about all dogs being big when you are a child.

Oh and I have read her website.  She even says, in multiple places, that she never intended to change the GSD but to go back to what it was supposed to be.    These Shiloh dogs are NOTHING like what a GSD could be, should be, or ever was, and the fact that someone would come to this GSD site,  and try to make GSD people think these monstrosities can do ANYTHING other than drool is a joke!  The tactic of telling people these Shilohs  are  what the founder of the GSD wanted his breed to be,  by misrepresenting the history of the GSD, she is doing nothing more than pulling the wool over  the eyes of newbies and other gullible people.  It might work on her website but it won't fly here or on any other self respecting GSD site. 

I notice the founder of the Shiloh  is very strict about not allowing people to link to,  or quote from her site.  I have no doubt this is only because she is tired of being the butt of everyone's joke, but the fact remains, trying to say the Shiloh is anything like a GSD is nothing BUT a joke.

She will go on marketing the "breed" to people who have no clue, or people who don't really want a GSD, but don't think you can justify it here, no ones buying.

"These Shilohs are NOTHING like what ANY GSD was supposed to at any time in it's history."

Let's see:

Good family protector, but good with kids.

Good herding instinct.

Excellent therapy and medical alert dogs.

Able to do Schutzhund (In the early days, many Shilohs earned their titles, and many others were trained and sold as protection dogs. Tina no longer does this with her dogs, as she wants people to think of them as family companions.)

Not dog-aggressive

Excellent tracking skills

Gee, sounds a bit like a GSD to me!

Let me emphasize, however, SHILOHS ARE NOT GSD'S AND HAVE NOT BEEN GSD"S  SINCE THE EARLY 1990's!

Ugly -  can you get me a plaid one... I wear a lot a flannel and would like the dog to match me I have over 123 dollars..

It''s real interesting to me the number of folks who say theird dogs can work but you never see them actually do anything.

In my experiece I prefer the smaller side I think they are healthier , live longer, work longer, and that is really what a working dog SHOULD be.

As my old coach used to say  I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see....

Jeff

Once again, Sue hits the nail on the head...repeatedly!!  

Tina supposedly TITLED a Shiloh in schutzhund?

WHEN???  Please provide information from which we can verify this claim.

When, which organization,  name of dog, name of club hosting the trial, judge, date of trial, etc.   Even better, post the relevant pages from an actual scorebook.

I will not be the least bit disappointed to see no response to this query.  In fact, I don't expect one.  At most, I would expect some defensive " I have nothing to prove," or (more stupidly) "tell me yours." 

Tina Barber,

Inasmuch as you apparently monitor this site for any reference to Shiloh's , you know that the claim has been made that you titled one in schutzhund.  Your silence can be (and is) taken as adoption of  and concurrence with that claim.  I"d like to see the proof, as I know a woman who tried for YEARS to title two Shilohs.  I think she may have achieved a B with one. But, not a title.