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by Phil Behun on 14 January 2010 - 23:01

Not all. I have owned several Malinois that had a Boxer's coat. Very short "hair" and no undercoat. But then again, I've only been into the Malinois breed since the early 90's and would have to take off both shoes to count the ones currently being fed here. BTW, it's Belgian Sheepdog not Belgian Shepherd, Malinois, Laekenois, Groenendael, and Tervuren.

by ShadyLady on 15 January 2010 - 00:01

No, it's Belgian SHEPHERD, and they are one breed under the FCI. It's the the Americans that separated the ONE breed into different "breeds" and they call the black dogs, the Groenendael, the Belgian Sheepdog in the U.S.

The coat standard under FCI and AKC is for all of them to have undercoat. Not that your Mals do or did.

by Phil Behun on 15 January 2010 - 01:01

Actually it's 4 varieties of one breed, the Belgian Sheepdog http://bestinfodogs.com/index.php/chien-belge-tervueren . The AKC split the 4 "varieties" of the "Belgian Sheepdog" because the somewhat elegant looking Tervuren was winning all of the conformation events back in the 50's and the Malinois folk were crying. So, to make everyone happy, we here in America recognize them as different breeds. It is not uncommon to have Malinois in the pedigrees of Tervurens and vice versa. It is also common that when losing size in your Malinois line to throw a larger boned Tervuren back in. But at the risk of hijacking someone else's thread, what's the point? Since by preference I am a Malinois guy and therefore consequently a working dog guy, I really don't care about conformation and what the dog looks like as much as working temperament.

by ShadyLady on 15 January 2010 - 01:01

Yeah, and the U.S. splitting them did a huge disservice to the entire Belgian Shepherd temperament. Having the ability to breed all of the varieties together is helpful, but that is mostly for conformation-only folks outside the U.S. now...

Right, the thread was originally about long coated German Shepherds. :-)

by Nans gsd on 15 January 2010 - 02:01

Actually Phil thank you for the beautiful picture; it puts it all in prospective.

by Phil Behun on 15 January 2010 - 03:01

It is a nice picture isn't it?? Just found it by chance earlier and had to save it. Probably the best photo of the Laekenois fur that I've seen. Funny how all of them, especially the Groenendael, get prematurely gray chins.

by Nans gsd on 15 January 2010 - 15:01

Actually Phil; can you post this on the newest ad section: Do you people want this kind of discrepancy in the GSD: that is where the breed could be headed with these coat differences.

by Phil Behun on 15 January 2010 - 16:01

Basically you have it already don't you? Think about the difference in pigment and coat type between the sable working dogs, black and red show dogs, long coats, American bred crap (sorry), not to mention the differences in physical structure and temperament. This is kind of the point of the whole matter, as referenced earlier, compare the judging of the "protection" phase at the USCA National Championship to the judging of the "protection" phase at the USCA Sieger Show. The double standard is not only present but encouraged. And we're told it's all about the breed,,,,,,,,,(as Henry Morgan would say in his portrayal of Colonel Sherman T. Potter of MASH 4077) "Horse Hockey". It's all about the Benjamins.

by ShadyLady on 15 January 2010 - 19:01

Every breed has its separate groups of working people, breed ring people, and a mix of them all. New groups will not stop forming and there is no way to stop it if the puppies are popular. Phil is right, it's all about the money -- and egos first. For the powers that be, the big hats in charge, it's not about perserving the breed's (pick any breed) orginal purpose.

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