noch zugelassen (a3)=OFA excellent - Page 1

How is it possible for a dog to receive noch zugelassen (a3) in Germany and OFA excellent in the USA?  WOW!

I'll drink to that, cheers

People are just noticing this?

I would very much question the validity of this -

the only experience I have had with NZ hips - imported a pregnant female (Schh3, V-KKl-1) - x-rayed her before breeding her again - her hips were absolutely terrible.  "severe" in one hip, moderate in the other.  Spayed and placed her.  Will never do that again.

molly

You have to go back to when the dog was rated V in Germany, the true hip x-ray is posted there.

OFA is bull Hockey, There is so many proving stories of people sending in bad hip reports that they just got back from OFA and then sending them back in and getting good or better reports ( TOTAL BS )! OFA it all depends on which docs are looking at, who had there coffee that morning and if they have there bi-foculs on straight. Thats why if it is not SV it might not be correct. You can join Schutzhund USA and have thto them sent to the SV to get a accurate reading, but to many backyard breeders wanting to turn a quick dollar because there dog is 2 and ready breed, FULL SPEED AHEAD YE-HA.  Cheers. 

In the case of my dog that was NZ (passing A3 hips) from Germany - SV a-stamp passing hip rating - I could see for myself, without bifocals or any other assistance - how TERRIBLE  her hips were when x-rayed in this country.  I expected the moderate rating from OFA and wouldn't have been surprised at severe.

molly

I have never experienced such a difference of interpretation between the S.V. and the O.F.A., although I hear of plenty who have supposedly experienced these differences.
 
Me? I would never purchase a dog (for the purpose of breeding) that has a finding of "a" 3 noch Zugelassen, but that is just my personal choice and I realize there are many more things to a dog than just hip quality. Perhaps I have a decent eye for the interpretation of hip radiographs; perhaps the O.F.A. and S.V. channel my thoughts; or perhaps I am just damned lucky. I have never been suprised by the findings of either organization concerning radiographs that I examined prior to submission.
 
What I fail to see is this - proof - the picture is worth so much here. What I would like to see the next time someone states their "a" 3 dog received O.F.A. "excellent" (or "good" or "fair") is the proof offered by the radiographs that were submitted to each organization. The O.F.A. will allow another evaluation, as will the S.V., though the latter is just a bit tougher to fulfill.

I know that people often piss on the O.F.A. for what is sometimes a differing opinion evaluation-to-evaluation. Even though the radiographs are examined by three (3) board-certified radiologists; in the end the findings of the members of this group are examined by Dr. Keller to make sure the concensus is correct. The S.V. operates in a manner that is virtually identical, and I would presume the same for the B.V.A. and the F.C.I..

So in short - show me the pictures - show me the proof.

Best Regards,
Bob-O

Have the x-rays been dyed?

Louise - perhaps they were dyed at a midnight trial?

Too funny,
Bob-O