Would you breed... - Page 2

I would send the x-rays to Schutzhund USA to see if she passes with them because then you can find out the true quality of the hips. I have no faith in OFA - Schutzhund USA sends them to Germany to the SV, they have vets that rate the hips for the SV and this is all they do. Also, did the vet who took the x-rays do a good job so that the dog is perfectly straight? Otherwise if the dog has fair hips I would not breed it because this genetic gets passed on

NO I wouldn't breed a dog with Fair-rated hips.

I agree with Uberland and Ekvonearnhardt

Remember OFA,s fair rating is still in the range of normal, But OFA really doesnt thrill me.

There is more to breeding 2 dogs then just a single xray... lots more   

 

I would, but I would also be extremely selective as to what I bred too.  The other "partner" would have to come from lines that are known for improving hips.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

Why are so many people quick to write off breeding to a dog with fair hips? Fair is still considered free of dysplasia. My dog's father has fair hips, and her mother has FCI B hips, which would likely be translated to OFA fair. My dog has good hips, and as far as I know no other dogs from this breeding combination have hip problems. If producing good hips was as black and white as only breeding dogs with good or better hips, then this issue would have been solved decades ago.

No, and I will not buy a pup from fair hips either. I don't want to risk after going through it already and over five thousand in care to put the dog down after a year of life because the dog was just in too much pain extreme hd. Too many excellent rated dogs with enough to offer that I don't think anything of lesser should be bred.





  I recently enquired about a pup and was flabergasted when the breeder told me the hips/elbows werent cert because the dog was hit by car and had an injury and was xrayed time of injury looked good but now they might be calcified so didn't do it lmao needless to say I ended the call thanks but no thanks....

One of the greatest police dogs in the United States,the great Sormfronts Branson,was ofa fair.And also he worked till he was 10 years.Also produced some awesome dogs.


the great Grimm z phorinicini Straze;s father had questionable hips just look and see what kind of awesome dogs that line has produced.

If anyone on this board think they going to fix this problem in the breed, because they think they know what they are talking about you have not got a clue.Best of the best have been trying forever.Have a nice one.

Hello everyone,

Thank you all for replying and for all the input.  For those asking about the dog in questions pedigree, it was a hypothetical question.  I was just curious about people's responses.

Thank you,
Haley

lol, some people breed for colors, some people for temperament, and the rest for hips ;) too bad we forgot about breeding a 100% dog lol. I will not discriminate dog with fair (fair is still passing). I have female whose father was fair, mother never certified, no complaints.

Improperly positioned x ray and poor negative

I agree with HELD.
 Hips are super important but not everything.
Also:
X RAY
1.first I would check on the positioning of the hips; everything   MUST (!!) be parallel , perpendicular , exact mirror L of R.
Knee caps MUST be visible and in center of the knee like a bull's eye.Improper positioning may degrade hips by 2 to 3 degrees.  Negative must have total black and total translucent and be perfectly in focus. Improper negative will degrade your hips rating.
 I have nice samples on my website :
http://www.alpinek9.com/WARRANTY.html



 

Properly positioned x ray and well focused and exposed negative.


BREEDING
2. First make sure that you know why you would like to breed such dog besides the consideration of the hips. If the dog is somehow exceptional then look at the hips of the dogs on the pedigree and their litermates and progeny. If they are clear and your dog is super then breed it to dog with excellent hip background and other complimentary qualities.
Breeding is always a compromise and thus you must not be obsessed by hips or any one sided issue and forget temperament and other important GSD qualities. You mus learn to "dovetail the pedigrees". Where the inferior is compensated by superior. Then select the best pup (if there is one) from that breeding for future breeding. This is how you improve the line. It is a fantasy to breed perfect dogs. There are none. This is not easy thus it is good to have a mentor.
Why don't you put here picture of the x ray in question?
For the sake of the GSD
Prager (Hans)