Brindle German Shepherds - Page 2

the brindle is said to come from the dogs grandmother, who happens to be in the pdb, she's a german import, supposedly had faint brindle on her legs...  so maybe there was dutchie in the mix  back there.

this is a full litter brother to the father of the female who whelped this litter: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/452944.html
the brindle comes from the mother Brilla.  you can see faint stripes on her back hocks

I'm sorry guys....but I can't find any humor it this breeder...or "that website of genetic misfortune"..
It just saddens me, and I am not the kind of person who throws stones at others.....but I really do find it disturbing.
Robin

Wow, what a site.  I didn't see one dog worth breeding.  I think I'll just sit here for a while and shake my head.

After reading/researching the history of the Dutch shepherds from noted breeders here in the states and over seas. I have a hard time understanding how the brindle is just now showing up. As it is believed that the Brindle like the sable is a dominant color. Would we have not of seen more brindling in the past "IF" this was a "true" breeding?

My theory would be some where in the back breeding someone knew that there was a dutch or a Malinois (that carried the brindling) crossed in the lines. Since DNA was not around then if it looked like a shepherd it was sold as one. It happens still today in some kennels since DNA is not done on all breeding dogs (just males if bred x amount of times in the us).

I would also have to say the same as for the AY sables she is breeding as they look like Malinois puppies (not of good breeding but still).

Again just my opinion and theory

EK

Looks like a kennel that breeds mixed breed puppies to me....

That said, I don't see much there that I'd give a dime for.  They seem to love their dogs, but there are shelters full of mixed breed puppies, if that's what someone wants, and it's usually cheaper to adopt a dog from a shelter than a breeder.

I won't go off on this breeder, if that's what you want to call them, but I wouldn't patronize them.

Crys

Like I said on another thread this morning...Do not open the can of worms too far as it would take a years worth of posting to close the lid on the can....

Anyone that really believes all pedigrees have ever been all correct   is dreaming.

Brindle??I have a fox coat with a mink trim on it. It is red fox and red brindle mink.. Looks like the mink rolled in someones tobacco bin before they tanned it...................................lol

Eww!

"there was a grandsire who passed on before DNA was taken, thats why there's the provisional reg. AKC wanted 3 gen. of DNA to give full reg."

How interesting!!!
Especially when one considers the situation where a number of years ago, it was discovered that other dogs had been substituted for stud service to bitches who were supposed to have been bred to Sel Ch Nike-Clayfield'sAndretti ROM.  Immediately, Andretti died and was conveniently cremated so that there was no way that AKC could get DNA from Andretti to check against suspect progeny.  (this was in the days before the requirement for DNA profiles to be done on stud dogs after a certain number of litters have been sired. The owner of Andretti lost AKC privileges permanently although later on he still was active behind the scenes via his girlfriend who also was active in the GSD breeding & conformation showing scene.
Andretti was a dog that was heavily used at stud with a stud career that started when he was quite young, which meant  the discovery that he wasn't the sire of some of his litters, had the potential to affect hundreds of dogs.  By the time the ruse was discovered, Andretti had 2 or more generations of descendants out of a vast number of bitches.  What happened was that Andretti at some unknown point in his stud career, started having intermittent fertility problems.  His stud fee was the highest American show dog stud fee advertised in the Review at the time.  In addition, there was much demand for his services by bitch owners.  Thus, there was great financial incentive for the owner to substitute other sires in order to not lose the stud fee.   How often, over what period of time, or what other dogs were used as substitutes for Andretti or what bitches were bred to substitutes, nobody knows.
 Andretti's owner refused to name any of the dogs used in the substitutions or say what bitches were bred to substitutes or give any other information to help sort the mess out,  which was a tangled mess of astronomical proportions.
 There were many dogs involved and the situation was a potential legal nightmare.  Conveniently for AKC, GSDCA, and everyone else except for Andretti's owner who lost AKC privileges for life,, the whole situation was simply "swept under the rug" and no action of any kind was ever made to attempt to sort out the mess.  Enough years have passed now that a lot of people in the breed are probably unaware of it, and most of those who know about it, also know that it actually had little effect on the breed. (One dog who was suspected as being one of the substitutes was Andretti's son Schnebly, who was a good producer in his own right.)

It seems a bit ironic and hypocritical to hear that AKC would get so demanding of generations of DNA in the case mentioned in this thread, when AKC and GSDCA swept a case involving hundreds of dogs, under the rug of history to be erased by time.