Breeding for very deep red/blk pigment... - Page 1

Sorry, I hit the send button to quick. Does anyone know of a stud that they know throws very rich red/blk pigment in his progeny. I have a V rated SchH 1 KKL1 female that I would like to breed. She produces large puppies with good bone structure and good conformation , but I am looking for more pigment. She is an Ursus granddaughter, if that helps narrow down a male. Any suggestions. You can e-mail me at hellsbeast02@yahoo.com Thanks in advance for your input. Debbie

Salo Von Steigerhof

Why are we breeding just for color? What happened to working attributes. Listen to Sunny! Kyle

Ulk vom Moorbeck is in Toronto Canada and throws the pigment you are looking for.

Unfortunately that is how some Showline breeders think. They only care how GOOD looking their dogs are... even know they lack in working abilities and possible lack in temperament. If you spend the extra money on Sieger show videos you'll understand my point.

And here Brittany, I have to disagree with you. There are some very good showline dogs that have working capability. You might say an insiders secret. So, you show that you obiously are not privy to it. I mean the secret. With the way you are going, maybe you never will be???

Why would I want to spend training time and money on observing what Max von Stephanitz wanted to avoid. "A pleasing appearance is desirable, but it can NOT put the dog’s working ability into question! And to be certain he (Max von Stephanitz) wouldn’t be misunderstood, he coined the phrase: "German Shepherd breeding is Working Dog breeding, or it is not German Shepherd breeding"! Just passing it along. Kyle

You know Debbie asked a "simple" question. I would think the breeders on this forum would take the "total package" into consideration, when it comes to the GSD. I assume that Debbie has taken all facets of her breeding into consideration and just wants some leads to arrive at a place she wants to be. She may take all recommendations and trash them all, because they don't fit her needs. Regardless of the color producer, recommended. She did not say she was "only" interested in color. Everyone here should know what makes up a German Shepherd and as a breeder want to maintain or improve upon the standard and working abilities. But you know, one can not ask a "simple" question on this forum, without being excoriated, by the experts. Give Debbie the nod and benefit of the doubt. People are afraid to interact here because it is dog eat dog, on each and every post. And the court jester is all over the place, and she can't find her behind with BOTH hands! We need to lighten up, folks.

This might be an interesting candidate http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/119534.html

Thank you so much to all of you that gave their advice. To SGBH, I appreciate your response, that is exactly how I felt when I began reading. You were correct in assuming that I knew better than just to put color above all else. The truth is, my female throws herself. Substance, drives, correct structure and angulation. She has great working abilities and an awesome temperament (I trust her with my grandchildren). Heck she even passes on her showey gait to her pups. I merely wanted a male to add pigment. If he has other positive qualities to contribute all the better. I guess I should have explained myself in depth, but I didn't think one could read so much into one little question. Oh well, lesson learned. As always thanks again. Debbie