Bart vom Leerburg - Page 2

Nice F'bombs there Held.   Did you name yourself after Held Ritterberg?   Maybe try the spell check feature next time.  Gotta disagree with you on most of that rant.  There are plenty of good handlers/trainers that have taken sub-standard specimens and done quite well.  Rarely will you see a good genetic product with absolute crappy handling, go very far.  I personally know of dogs that had to be "aided" on long bites and escapes with electric and held back with long lines and bungees until the day of the trial.  Through creative training and handling these dogs were able to "V" protection at national events.  I have personally seen dogs that off of the SchH field, had a hard time walking on tile floors, yet these dogs were able to make it to World Championships.  So to say that a gifted trainer cannot take a dog with less than perfect genetics and have some success, is ludicrous.

I explain it this way to novice people like yourself;  A puppy is like a piece of nice modeling clay, clean, smooth, soft, and in the hands of a gifted sculptor it can be transformed into a beautiful piece of artwork.  In the hands of a butcher, it becomes pretty much nothing, wasted.  Plenty of potential to start with but never allowed to realize it's true worth.  On the other hand a gritty piece of mixed earth/clay full of stones and sticks and dirt and sand can be creatively smoothed out and made into something presentable bit it takes hard work and skill.  IMHO without Randy, Wick doesn't have anywhere near the success that he had.

Debby, I consider Randy to be a good friend and an excellent trainer/coach.  I trained with him for several years back in the early 2000's and was very happy with the work we accomplished.  I traveled the 2 1/2 hr. each way drive to Warsaw 3-4 times a week to train.  Logistically speaking, I am a little too far to train with him now but in the future when my young dog is more advanced, I will make some trips down to "Digger Field" and train again.  Ask Randy how he feels about Ed.  Ed is a salesman, not a dog trainer.

yes and then you guys go and breed these dogs because they have titles.no wonder every one always crying that the german shepherd breed is suffereing because Jackasses like you try to cover up genetics faults. still there is not a trainer who can take adog beyond its genetics if you think there is one then you are too dumb to know any better. have a nice one.

You mean all puppies are not made of clay?  Crap, all this time I've been looking for dogs at the hobby shop, no wonder I haven't found one.  It's a metaphor jackass.  I don't remember seeing your name anywhere in any posted trial result of any kind, do you know of what you speak?  Or do you sit behind the keyboard like so many others and chirp as a "man (or woman?) without a name"?

Dumbass use a metaphore that makes sence.you comparing working with a puppy to working wirh clay.in order to make a puppy in to a good dog first of all puppy would have to have some degree of certain drives.you woud have to be knowledgeable enough to know something about drives,so so far tell me is it same thing as working with clay or different.

Also i do not do titles i have said that before,could not careless but i am always interested in learning how to train a dog properly,and what a good dog should be.titles do not mean that yoyu are a good trainer just means you can follow a routine and a pattern. i see people who been training a titling dogs for thirty years and still do not shit about training.

all kinds of people are putting titles on dogs 90% of dogs and those trainers and handlers suck.( most of these dogs suck because of these handlers).

this is a new world you idiot there are all kinds of help available to learn to be a good trainer if one want to.you do not have to title a dog to know what a good training is all about and what a good dog is all about.that was old world thinking i guess you are still stuck there and that is too bad for you. have a nice one.