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by petoasis on 07 July 2009 - 06:07
What is this color call?How to improve the next generation?Whaich bloodloin can produce a big black saddle?.jpg)
by eichenluft on 07 July 2009 - 08:07
black/red with faded saddle - breed to a stud dog with deep red and deep black to improve pigment.
molly
molly
by Schaeferhund on 07 July 2009 - 10:07
Seen this female with similar question before.... 
I think all questions have been answered 
I think all questions have been answered by Schaeferhund on 07 July 2009 - 10:07
There we go http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/301561.html
by SitasMom on 07 July 2009 - 10:07
Looks like this dog has plenty of red, would a very dark black and tan/red be the way to go. Maybe a melanistc black and tan/red???
http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/07_Colour_&_Pigment/Colour_&_Pigment.html
this article has some interesting information on color
http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/07_Colour_&_Pigment/Colour_&_Pigment.html
this article has some interesting information on color
by Olga Ashley on 07 July 2009 - 10:07
If looking to improve pigmentation breed to a very well structured black dog, this will result in very deep blk/red puppies with dark black saddles, unless your female carries the black recessive you will not have black puppies. Your female is blk/red, but her pigment is very weak.
by eichenluft on 07 July 2009 - 13:07
black may improve and enlarge the black saddle and mask, but will not improve the red pigment.
molly
molly
by VonIsengard on 07 July 2009 - 14:07
For starters, this the whole picture has a slight yellow tint, I am correct in assuming it was taken toward the end of the day? The closer to sunset the more of a yellow then orange tint will be cast on your photo. Colors can be misleading in photos.
First, how old is the bitch? It is not uncommon at all for a saddle to fade with time. But if you want better pigment, yes, go with a dog with deep black mask, saddle, dark eyes, black nails. Don't forget color is just the icing on the cake. I love a dog with great color, but only when all the other pieces fit first. Lovely bitch, good luck.
First, how old is the bitch? It is not uncommon at all for a saddle to fade with time. But if you want better pigment, yes, go with a dog with deep black mask, saddle, dark eyes, black nails. Don't forget color is just the icing on the cake. I love a dog with great color, but only when all the other pieces fit first. Lovely bitch, good luck.
by TIG on 07 July 2009 - 20:07
Molly,
Red is actually related to fading pigment so you do not want to select for the red.
I would suggest a black sable to bring pigment back generally or a black and tan or bi color that had dark dark tan (and probably has dark sable in its pedigree).
If you can find a nice saddle backed male where the saddle is dark and extensive - start there and worry about the tan later. But also ask re fading pigment in the lines. Certain lines will start out with good pigment but by the time the dog or bitch is 5-7 years they are basically a red dog. This is a definite inherited tendency that certain dogs and lines carry.
Red is actually related to fading pigment so you do not want to select for the red.
I would suggest a black sable to bring pigment back generally or a black and tan or bi color that had dark dark tan (and probably has dark sable in its pedigree).
If you can find a nice saddle backed male where the saddle is dark and extensive - start there and worry about the tan later. But also ask re fading pigment in the lines. Certain lines will start out with good pigment but by the time the dog or bitch is 5-7 years they are basically a red dog. This is a definite inherited tendency that certain dogs and lines carry.
by Rozida on 07 July 2009 - 20:07
from personal experience I would say one of the best bloodline to have black saddle is Cary Fiemereck's bloodline.
I have my 9 year old( a son of Cary's) who still has his pitch black saddle and reddish brown color.A very good friend of mine has quite a few Cary's progenies as well who still have an excellent black/brown pigmentation..
I have my 9 year old( a son of Cary's) who still has his pitch black saddle and reddish brown color.A very good friend of mine has quite a few Cary's progenies as well who still have an excellent black/brown pigmentation..
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