Please explain this show placing - Page 2

This is not the first time a problem like this has happened, I assume when a judge from over seas is doing a show in our country the secretary or another committee member explains the rules and what is expected from his judging, and if he differs from that he should be put right there and then. It's to late when the class is over.

Inconsistent judging raises itself up every so often, it's a nightmare for exhibitors.  There is a responsiblity for the Stewards to point out to any Judge any deviations from the rules that they make but it very rarely happens.  There is also a bigger responsiblity on Club Committee Members to properly research prospective judges to ensure that inconsistencies do not arise and they are familiar with the rules that they are being asked to judge to.  The appointment of judges appears to be done on a more superficial basis.  In any event everyone should do their own fact find in respect of new appointments and use their own judgement for the existing Judges pool in order to decide whether it is worth making an entry.  It is surprising how much money can be saved and better placings achieved.

It is not uncommon in all breeds for visiting judges to have a sight of the catalogue and it has been known here that some judges get a trusted "friend" to check the catalogue for them.  And,  when  the question is asked " How can a judge be allowed (by the KC/Club Committee Members) to judge to rules not applicable to this Country"  then you have to ask another question "Should we allow visiting SV judges to judge to the SV breed standard, or, the official KC standard"? Personally I prefer the SV standard.

With the information available "you pay your money and take your chance"

regards

Mackenzie

 

I have been fortunate enough to have judged on several continents, and in accepting the invitations i always take it for granted that i will be expected to judge to the particular rules of the host country's KC, this one precondition is now becoming more and more apparent by its absence ,when certain Foreign judges officiate here.

  We cannot let this proliferate, because judging from the replies on this particular thread, we wont have any entries for Incompetent, or corrupt Judges to judge.

   Regards   Paul Rattigan.

Hello missbeeb

You are absolutely right in your comments however, it is up to the exhibitor to research properly their show programme.  It will mean less entries for the exhibitor and the shows.  For  example, as an experienced exhibitor you will  be aware of who moves in which circles and so you can reasonable calculate whether you will be in the first five or not.   Even visiting judges know who is who and what is winning and it is naive to think that they don't.  Last year a visiting judge asked me about an exhibitor and I told them that they would have to make up their own mind.  Dog  showing is a rigged game in many instances.  Some years ago I won BOB at an All Breed Championship Show and while I was waiting to go into the the Group I was talking to an All Rounder judge that I knew and when my dog was announced he said to me you will be third here and he named the first two dogs and their breed.  He was spot on.

Incompetance is another matter.   There should be a duty upon Committee Members to ensure that they research properly their prospective judges.  There should be no gain, either at the show, or at a later show for Committee members as a payback for the appointment.  This is something exhibitors must work out for themselves.

kind regards

Mackenzie

Mackenzie.

 I could'nt have put it any better.

 Regards Paul Rattigan.

the same thing happened at the 2007 british sieger when the judge made his comments on the first 2 in the class he stated that if it was not for the fact that the second dog had failed his sch test at the german sieger then he would have been 1st and not second what on earth that has to do with this show is beyond me  in this country you are supposed to judge the dogs on the day not what they did or did not do a week month or year ago personally their are a lot of suspect judges in our rings at the present time and the only way to stamp it out is do not enter under a judge that you know to be incompetent/ suspect or an old pals type if you are a member of a club then tell them your thoughts on what judges they are thinking about booking, as for most of us this is a hobby and a very expensive one at that and i think that every entry deserves the same attention from the judge and always remember that no matter what you will still be taking the best dog home
jim h