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by Uber Land on 22 March 2009 - 05:03
thats why most of your Livestock guardian breeds are WHITE. they are that color to blend in the with the flock. predators wouldn't be able to see them until it was too late.
herding breeds are generally NOT WHITE, the Shepherds needed to be able to distinguish the dog from the flock at a distance so they could give them commands (whistles ect). most herding breeds are a form of brown or combinations of brown/black and white.
herding breeds are generally NOT WHITE, the Shepherds needed to be able to distinguish the dog from the flock at a distance so they could give them commands (whistles ect). most herding breeds are a form of brown or combinations of brown/black and white.
by mamabevi5 on 22 March 2009 - 06:03
Hello everyone. First of all I would like to apologize if I am posting in the wrong place. I do not mean to intrude.
I am new to this board, and basically a novice with GSD's. My previous GSD may have not been a purebred dog, but she was my life just the same. I currently own a long coat male that is 1.5 years old. I understand the need to maintain the purity of the breed; my girl had severe hip dysplasia from a very young age, possibly from birth and I did not know until it was too late to help her(last year of her life). I had the option when she was younger to breed her but chose not to. Glad I didn't. I do not have the option to breed my male and don't care. I love this discussion because of the honesty presented and I applaud honesty always.
Since joining this forum a few days ago, I have come to wonder why the long coats have such a bad rap. I do realise they do not comply with the standard set so long ago, but otherwise are they really any different in other forms ie competition, loyalty, devotion, etc. What is the difference between long coated GSD's and Alsations? I am confused enough at the moment to wonder if long coats are Alsations.
I am just trying to understand more of what I read and educate myself and I have had a personal love for GSD's for more than 10 years now. I hope that in time I can have my boy trained well enough to at least not embarrass professionals such as yourselves.
One other thing....a question really...is how do I know by looking at my boys pedigree just how good or bad he is? I have never heard of any of the sires and dams because I am a novice and so all it means to me at this moment is that I saw a picture of his sire.
Now that I have totally embarrassed myself...
Thank you
Kind Regards
Bev
I am new to this board, and basically a novice with GSD's. My previous GSD may have not been a purebred dog, but she was my life just the same. I currently own a long coat male that is 1.5 years old. I understand the need to maintain the purity of the breed; my girl had severe hip dysplasia from a very young age, possibly from birth and I did not know until it was too late to help her(last year of her life). I had the option when she was younger to breed her but chose not to. Glad I didn't. I do not have the option to breed my male and don't care. I love this discussion because of the honesty presented and I applaud honesty always.
Since joining this forum a few days ago, I have come to wonder why the long coats have such a bad rap. I do realise they do not comply with the standard set so long ago, but otherwise are they really any different in other forms ie competition, loyalty, devotion, etc. What is the difference between long coated GSD's and Alsations? I am confused enough at the moment to wonder if long coats are Alsations.
I am just trying to understand more of what I read and educate myself and I have had a personal love for GSD's for more than 10 years now. I hope that in time I can have my boy trained well enough to at least not embarrass professionals such as yourselves.
One other thing....a question really...is how do I know by looking at my boys pedigree just how good or bad he is? I have never heard of any of the sires and dams because I am a novice and so all it means to me at this moment is that I saw a picture of his sire.
Now that I have totally embarrassed myself...
Thank you
Kind Regards
Bev
by luvdemdogs on 22 March 2009 - 06:03
Now THAT makes total sense, having the guardian type breeds as white and the herding breeds as colored. I doubt sheep farmers had both types of dogs though. I'm just guessing, but I suspect that sheep farmers used both types of dogs to do both herd and protect, yes?
by Uber Land on 22 March 2009 - 18:03
I have seen shepherds with pyr's in the flock and working border collies at the same time to move the flock. the LGD's move where the flock goes.
by luvdemdogs on 22 March 2009 - 18:03
what is an LGD?
by mahon on 22 March 2009 - 21:03
Does anyone have any knowledge of liver colors out of V Yak vom Frankengold Sch 3 or VA Competition's Frenzi Sch 3
You can PM me or E-mail me from my user info.
Thanks, mahon
Uber Land
Thanks for the liver color gene link.
You can PM me or E-mail me from my user info.
Thanks, mahon
Uber Land
Thanks for the liver color gene link.
by MVF on 22 March 2009 - 23:03
Very sad that a working breed rejects colors arbitrarily.
If the dog is temperamentally and work-ethically and physically sound -- why ask for more?
Non disputandum gustibus est -- why can't people who prefer these colors have them, really?
This is not like breeding bad hips, elbows, or temperaments. They are unrelated.
If the dog is temperamentally and work-ethically and physically sound -- why ask for more?
Non disputandum gustibus est -- why can't people who prefer these colors have them, really?
This is not like breeding bad hips, elbows, or temperaments. They are unrelated.
by Uber Land on 23 March 2009 - 01:03
LGD: Livestock Guardian Dog
by Uber Land on 23 March 2009 - 01:03
MVF, There was always a reason to fault the livers and blues, same as a white dog.
whites can't be seen on a snowy hillside working sheep, or be distinguished amongst a flock. plus they do not do well at night like with police work or military work, being white is easily visible.
livers, again, ever see a flock of muddy sheep? hard to see a liver dog against the brown earth or in a dirty flock.
yes, there were prejudices against whites, livers, blues during the world wars, and maybe some of it was unfounded.
our breed looks they way it does today due to breeders following a standard set forth by the breed founders. without this standard we would not have our beloved breed the way it is today.
whites can't be seen on a snowy hillside working sheep, or be distinguished amongst a flock. plus they do not do well at night like with police work or military work, being white is easily visible.
livers, again, ever see a flock of muddy sheep? hard to see a liver dog against the brown earth or in a dirty flock.
yes, there were prejudices against whites, livers, blues during the world wars, and maybe some of it was unfounded.
our breed looks they way it does today due to breeders following a standard set forth by the breed founders. without this standard we would not have our beloved breed the way it is today.
by luvdemdogs on 23 March 2009 - 01:03
"Our breed" includes all of the colors.
I understand why white would be a fault for a sheep herding dog. Frankly, in some instances, I can see the visibility of the white being a benefit. Guide dogs, for example - better visibility of the dog in traffic. But the breed cntains the colors - let's not pretend they're not all pure bred registered german shepherds.
And livers - there seems to be no reason at all not to simply accept them for any functional purpose.
I understand why white would be a fault for a sheep herding dog. Frankly, in some instances, I can see the visibility of the white being a benefit. Guide dogs, for example - better visibility of the dog in traffic. But the breed cntains the colors - let's not pretend they're not all pure bred registered german shepherds.
And livers - there seems to be no reason at all not to simply accept them for any functional purpose.
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