Suggestions on Working lines - Page 5

To Aristian:
I understand you are young and impatient. But,don't get caught in nonsense of DDRdog! Easern Europeandog! West working line! Troll! This and that. It doesn't mean that much.

A puppy is a gamble. HOWEVER, instead of lettign the casino have the upper hand, armed with information and research and looking long and hard you may be able to stack the deck in your favor. Doesn't mean you will win, but the odds of losing are smaller, okay. Do you understand the analogy.


The above poster that mentions Salztalblick kennel in Germany is absolutely correct. That gentleman has some awesome dogs. His dogs participate in annual BSP tournament in Germany and always place with at least "G" rating.

For those who do not know BSP stands for Bundes Sieger Prufung which along with WUSV is pretty much cream of the crop that GSD WORKING dogs have to offer. Every year an average of 100-120 dogs participate. NOT to be confused with BSZS which is that bullshit, gait and trott around the ring thing.

Many dogs from the past that are mentioned in these threads were participants or winners of BSP such as Troll Bosen Nachbarschaft, Ferro Zeurterner Himmelreich, Tim Heilingbosch, Javir Talka Marda, Yoschy Dollenwiese and so on and so on... The list is long.

As far as having a hard,hard, hard dog...is that really what you want?Do you know what a tough, hard dog truly is and what does he/she requires as far as handling and owning? Showline german Shepherds are almost a different breed in terms of drivesand personality compared toa good workign line dog. Are you ready to WORK (nottake him for a walk, but WORK) with him or her EVERY damn day, sometimes twice a day. These dogs have to be doing something every day,if you don't provide, don't worry, they'll find something and you may not be pleased by their choice - such as your lawnmower, garden hose chewed up, good pair of shoes, patio furniture, chair legs, countless plastic toys, tubs, buckets etc... etc... chew, chew,chew, chew, all day and every day. Until the age of 2 or so,till they mellow a LITTLE bit (still destructive).

What would you do, if you get a hard dog and he requires a correction from you. You pop the leash and he stares at you, growls and snaps at you. Are you going to pet him to calm him down? or, are you going to yank that leash again and say NO! What if he lunges at you then and tries to bite you.

Again, think long and hard about what you want to do. Your age,I think I read somewhere you are either a teen or early twenties, your age itself is against this type of dog. Where are you going to find a helper to work your dog?And so on and so on.

So, to sum it up. I am trying to give you advice and I have no horse in this race, but you have heard the expression -do not bite more than you can chew. So, that's all there is to it.

To the original poster. Thereis plenty of quality workign dog breeders allover USA with proven working lines,good dogs and proven producers with all the traits you are looking for.

Look at the participants and winners of US Nationals, Regional trials etc... and see which breeder owns which dog then contact them. Don't get hung up - ah, I want a DDR dog etc... that is meaningless, they all are NOT a carbon copy of each other. To use another stupid analogy. Don't be like somebody from a foreing countrythinking: ALL americans are bad or soemthing equaly ridiculous. Yes,some are,all are not. So, yes, some chechz dogs are good, not ALL are good,or any other generalized thing out there, DDR is bred for border patrol = therefore tough! Not true. Only small percentage was bred for border patrol and catching people fleeing to the west.

A good dog is a good dog, no matter what origin. You will feel it in your gut when you see it.
 

Hey Adi thanks for your long response. I am 20 years old. Some people like calling me a 'teenager' because they feel good. LOL.

"I understand you are young and impatient. But,don't get caught in nonsense of DDRdog! Easern Europeandog! West working line! Troll! This and that. It doesn't mean that much.

A puppy is a gamble. HOWEVER, instead of lettign the casino have the upper hand, armed with information and research and looking long and hard you may be able to stack the deck in your favor. Doesn't mean you will win, but the odds of losing are smaller, okay. Do you understand the analogy."

Yup i totally understand where your coming from. Everything we do involves risk, but i guess after im done researching, ill have to take the gamble and hope for the best.I have a question. will i be able to get a full grown dog? Or should i get a puppy and bond with him real well and teach him that im the pack leader.

"As far as having a hard,hard, hard dog...is that really what you want?Do you know what a tough, hard dog truly is and what does he/she requires as far as handling and owning? Showline german Shepherds are almost a different breed in terms of drivesand personality compared toa good workign line dog. Are you ready to WORK (nottake him for a walk, but WORK) with him or her EVERY damn day, sometimes twice a day. These dogs have to be doing something every day,if you don't provide, don't worry, they'll find something and you may not be pleased by their choice - such as your lawnmower, garden hose chewed up, good pair of shoes, patio furniture, chair legs, countless plastic toys, tubs, buckets etc... etc... chew, chew,chew, chew, all day and every day. Until the age of 2 or so,till they mellow a LITTLE bit (still destructive)."

Adi, my showline bitch is exactly like that! You'll laugh your head when i post pictures of what she has done to my house. She has chewed my lawn chairs, broken her dog house twice, she has chewed my furniture to bits, she even tore my bedsheets once, she has destroyed my brother's playstation3 and the list goes on and on. Like I said earlier i dont mind it at all. Inspite of me taking my female for hikes, and running i still sometimes get a nise surprise when i come hom.e Lol! By reading your paragraph, i feel like my female is being described. She is exactly like that.

Yes I am ready to work my future working dog everyday. My helper/handler/trainer has over 2 years of experience of working and showing breeds like German Shepherds, Rottweillers and Dobermans. Plus there is a Schutzhund club 10 minutes away from my home and it is owned by my uncle.

"What would you do, if you get a hard dog and he requires a correction from you. You pop the leash and he stares at you, growls and snaps at you. Are you going to pet him to calm him down? or, are you going to yank that leash again and say NO! What if he lunges at you then and tries to bite you."

Now this is a very hard question and to be completely honest, i dont know what ill do. All i know is that i wont give up even if im bitten. Ill try to answer thisquestion but if im worng(which I will be), will you please correct me? :) Okay so for example; i get a hard dog and i pop his chain. He growls at me will I pop his chain again or will I calm him down? If i calm him down, i will be giving into his demands and the dog will know that i am scared of him and thus, he will start dominating me. If I yank the chain, and if he tries to bite me, ill hold my ground, stare at him and pop his chain again. ill give it a good yank so he knows whose the boss.

But if i get a hard puppy and teach him from the beginning that im the boss why will it turn on me? If i sho