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by troublelinx on 31 August 2008 - 23:08
My question is, what makes for a top stud dog. Please keep in mind that I am asking about working bloodline stud dogs only. We have seen the effect that breeding for conformation (I hope that I splled that correct) has on working ability, I am not impressed. I know that some of the BSP dogs do not always reproduce themselves or their abilities, this is not my question. The question is if the top competition dogs reporduced themselves is this good for the breed. I mean some of these dogs are trained totally in prey. I wonder if they even see the percon behind the sleeve. Are some of the top competition dogs capable of recgonizing a threat to his owner. Are the best working stud dogs actually not the best competition dogs? Just asking for peoples opinions.
by TheOne on 01 September 2008 - 01:09
How can i put this because im still new to training. First off you said it yourself they are "TRIANED" totally in prey. Prey work to me is essientally a back up. If your doing real hard defense on a dog and you recognize that he is close to a breaking point you can bring the prey back up so the dog doesnt break which would be a very bad thing.
If that dog was totally equipment oriented who is to say he will ever look past the sleeve on the field ever. I believe its harder to take a older dog and make it not equipment oriented than it is to do foundation work on a younger dog or even a puppy to make sure there is a equal balance. You can still do playful stuff to a puppy as "defensive work" just not for extended period of times or you will break the dog and ruin it and you might never get it back.
What my trainer does is we do some rag work then he puts the rag on the ground and when they pup (18wks tues) starts going for the rag he will make the pup focus on him touch him pinch him pretty much just play roughhouse for not even a min. and then go back to playing with the rag.
That to me is foundation work to making sure the dog doesnt end up a equipment freak. But take my post with a grain a salt im intrested to see what the experts on here have to say as im learning and its still all new to me.
Jeff
by AKVeronica60 on 01 September 2008 - 03:09
>>> I know that some of the BSP dogs do not always reproduce themselves or their abilities, this is not my question. The question is if the top competition dogs reporduced themselves is this good for the breed.<<<
It depends on the dog. Some top competition dogs are real dogs, some aren't. Being a top competition dog does not automatically make them a prey monster, while being a second string washout doesn't make a dog a real dog either.
Veronica
by troublelinx on 02 September 2008 - 01:09
| In reguards to the GSD schutzhund was put into place to ensure that the dog is sutable to breed. I realize that crappy dogs can easily be titled with a good trainer. I question if a dog excells at the sport and is even capable of throwing his ability into his offspring, is this truly a good dog to be bread. There are some police dogs that have been caught on video that do not really know how to take down the bad guy when he gets close to the bad guy, the dog seems to just bump into him. This could be due to bad training, I am not sure? These same dogs could probably easily get a schutzhund title with an ordinary decent trainer. I question if some of the breeders are breeding with the intention of breeding the most flashy dogs, dogs that may not be able to work reliable in a real situation but look great on the field. Some really good breeders stick to the cryteria that the dog must be titled before breeding. I quess I am just wondering if a breeder breeds to excell just at the sport are their other qualities that are being ignored or lost in the breed. |
by troublelinx on 02 September 2008 - 02:09
| In reguards to the GSD schutzhund was put into place to ensure that the dog is sutable to breed. I realize that crappy dogs can easily be titled with a good trainer. I question if a dog excells at the sport and is even capable of throwing his ability into his offspring, is this truly a good dog to be bread. There are some police dogs that have been caught on video that do not really know how to take down the bad guy when he gets close to the bad guy, the dog seems to just bump into him. This could be due to bad training, I am not sure? These same dogs could probably easily get a schutzhund title with an ordinary decent trainer. I question if some of the breeders are breeding with the intention of breeding the most flashy dogs, dogs that may not be able to work reliable in a real situation but look great on the field. Some really good breeders stick to the cryteria that the dog must be titled before breeding. I quess I am just wondering if a breeder breeds to excell just at the sport are their other qualities that are being ignored or lost in the breed. |
by troublelinx on 02 September 2008 - 02:09
Jeff,
I said SOME dods are trainer totally in prey. The reason I say that is because some people who train just for the sport only train SOME of the GSD in prey. It depends on the dog, the traier, the goal. I am not implying that most trainers do this. I should probably not say totally. A better describing word would be primarly in prey. This way they have no second thoughts during lets say a courage test. I do not believe that this is a good way to train a reliable guardian. I do agree with what you about developing a balanced dog. Total defence will create a fear biter and a unreliable one at that.
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