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I am wondering if anyone has dealt with Enckhausen Shepherds in Indiana? I have a gorgeous 6 1/2 month old black sable male that I purchased from Shelby Yeakle, but I am having a very hard time getting AKC papers from her. I was in contact with the AKC today and it turns out that the litter has not been registered (it is not even in process). And she will no longer return messages, phone or e-mail.

What did the breeder tell you last time she talked to you? Did she tell you she had submitted registration papers? Did you ask for and receive a contract? If so, what were the conditions of sale? Your complaint is an all too common complaint on this board. I have never heard of this kennel. It may mean nothing that I have never heard of them (and let's see what others say), but did you check the kennel and this persons' reputation before the purchase? What do you know about the sire and dam of the litter? Are they even registered? Based on this information and perhaps more, some of us may be able to suggest some options for you. The bottom line is that yes, sometimes paperwork does take a while. I have a litter coming I think, and it is possible that there will be a short delay in paperwork for buyers of these pups. However, I do not lie, as some breeders do, telling you that you will get papers when the dog is not, can not and never was registered, or the litter was never registered. If there are paperwork issues, a reputable breeder will know that up front, tell you what to expect and when. A reputable breeder does not simply fail to return phone calls, emails, or lie. PERIOD. Keep us posted. Good luck.

Did this breeder represent (or misrepresent) the parents as being AKC Registered -- Did they imply that you were purchasing AKC registered or registerable puppies ?? You can "complain" somewhat to the AKC, but they don't seem to care much -- If you can somehow get your hands on REGISTRATION NUMBERS for the parents, you can at least determine if they are even registered with the AKC - You're only recourse may be small claims court (if you have a contract that talks about 'papers' -- and then to show your dog you would have to go get an I.L.P. -- The UKC has a similar registration for showing dogs without papers. THIS IS A SHAME -- My friend has a puppy out of a Czech bitch and it's not got AKC papers either - because the breeder either doesn't have them, or is having a problem converting them to get AKC to accept them -- But my friend knew that going in that the puppy would come without papers -- hence the low price. This probably happens way more than we know, because the pups go to "pet" homes and they don't give a hoot about blue slips or anything else, once they have their little bundle of fluff home. But then again, I worry about some of these lines in pet homes !! Glad you have a puppy you're happy with -- so sorry you have to go through this -- Maybe if you write them a letter and copy an attorney it will get their attention !!!

Thanks Hodie and Pineridge. This breeder has told me for 3 months that she has the paperwork, but she always has an excuse as to why she hasn't sent it yet. She used to be associated with Mike Diehl (Stromfront's Brawnson), but since I bought the pup they have parted ways. I am a breeder also, and so I know how hard it can be to get paperwork sometimes, especially with foreign bred litters (this litter was american bred and born), but I would never stop all correspondence with my clients.

Enckhausen has been around awhile and I doubt that they are breedign unregistered litters. More than likely, it is just what she said, and if there was a 'split' with Mr. Diehl, then there could be some reprecussions that are either emotional or just awkward for her affecting the paperwork. Was Brawnson the sire of the pup? did you contact Mike? I seriously doubt that you will be left hanging on this pup, but I understand your impatience and caution. Good luck! Dave

The puppy is linebred on Brawnson, he's a nice pup, it'd be a shame if I couldn't get the paperwork. I am trying to be as "gentle" as I can...I am not trying to use this as a slamming session. I have been in contact with Mike Diehl and he is trying as best as he can to help. I have had private e-mails from people who have had similar problems getting paperwork, it seems that this has been going on for awhile.

I think alot of people have been burned in the US by unethical foreign sellers. However, this is not an unknown kennel to working people, and accordign to the poster, there has been some business and or personal upheavels that are probably affecting the swift and correct submission of paperwork. I think the majority of sellers are honest and going to do their best to get your paperwork - word travels fast on the net, and people who cheat or screw others get caught out and identified. Good luck with your Kevin litter. I heard he was one of the better biting dogs from the hup hup contingent! Dave

The BBB can do little to help, even if a complaint is filed in such instances. AKC complaints take a very long time to investigate and frankly, the AKC does not give a damn as long as people keep producing litters and registering the dogs and sending the money to the AKC to do it. Yes, there are a lot of people who get burned by unethical "foreign" sellers, but there are also some really bad apples here in the states. I can not comment on whether this kennel is one of those, but if the situation is as described, it is, at best, poor business practice. Personal or business upheaval is not a legitimate reason to tell someone the litter is registered when it is not, papers are on the way when they are not, or to fail to communicate and or outright ignore communications from previous buyers.

Hile Haus wrote above: "This breeder has told me for 3 months that she has the paperwork, but she always has an excuse as to why she hasn't sent it yet." Yes, poor business practice to not register litter by the time it is a week old. But not lying about it. And apparently, some upheaval in life. Not good, and not right. Maybe embarrassed by the problem, or the issue of papers is some conflict between former partners - and yes - that is NOT FAIR to buyers - but BBB and AKC are not going to fix this. Hopefully, breeder will just get her head and act together and send the darn AKC litter registration in. Dave

Cheers hodie' Your last post sums it up in nutshell. Until I entered Board, I naively believed factors related to Breeders and clubs was largely a local one: it seems to be universal! Still, ignorance is such bliss!