Bad temperment - Page 5

Once more Charlie, Here's a problem with female I've got (have'nt we all!) She's normally wonderfully behaved - a model of my good training! But, here the rub: Whenever I take her into local forest, she'll run off after one thing or another, and I have a hell of a job retrieving her ( and this is only situation where it happens, she well knows she's done the wrong thing, you see, and feels then very guilty about it! - take my word, nothing to do with fear of physical punishment) It's driving me nuts, and it's happened now so many times, I've run out of solutions! Any ideas?

wildthing and patrishap -- yes you both are seeing into this dog .. you have opened eyes about this .. yes dogs are simple to understand .. it is not that complex !! and yes as i stated PART of this is a rank problem .. the dog must know all people are to be respected .. but that is another point i am trying to make // there is a good way to do this and a better way -- charlie no doubt has practical experience .. but that is the point here .. this dog needs experience .. someone to teach it .. lord .. 16 weeks and you give up on a dog ?? - of course unchecked this is going to be a problem -- but as i hammered the point enogh already -the right owners and help --it doesn't have to be --

Peter, you know what? I could deal with a dog like this if I could be with it 24 7. I can;t and this is what the dog needs.Lets look at the facts,we have a 16week old pup already in a rescue and 2 different homes.Now lets assume as required by law in most states, the pup was with mother for the required 8weeks,That leaves a whole lot of thing to go wrong in this dogs life over a remaining 8 week period to get it to the point it is now..........All I am saying is what about the perfectly good dogs that are destroyed every day simply because their number has come up and there is no more room.Alpha, Have you ever walked into a vets office with a perfectly well behaved dog,I mean sweet as can be,talking to him to keep him calm and holding off the vein so the vet can inject his life taking drugs,telling this dog everything is going to be ok, as you feel the life slip away and this little guys body goes limp.why do you not protest this dogs death and fight for something you think you can fix? A lot more dogs of the quality I just mentioned are put down then this 4 monoth wacko, that I can tell you is a fact......why not work that end ?

Alpha, you never answered my second question to you.And not for nothing, Wildthing is someone who without a doubt could use your help, that I think you might have a shot at rehabing but you will have your work cut out for you......

Peter,A recall is a recall, I would first try a longline,20 or 30 feet connected to a prong collar, call the dog give her 2seconds to respond then offer the correction,if that does not work the a commpany called Tri Tronice has several electric collars that work very well. different levels of stimulation.They start at about 150 US dollars and jump up to over $500 pretty quick.You can use the cheaper one.Use it the same as the longline.call the dog,2 seconds to respond the zap her, you will be suprised how good it works.......

Cheers Charlie and Alpha, Can't disagree much with either. Take your point about millions of dogs put to death each year for no good reason, Charlie! Puts things into perspective! To me, what's really criminal is when people dump perfectly good dogs (and cats, of course) from their cars into local bush - often because puppy has gotten too big or, would you believe it, particular animal is no longer 'in fashion'! Found (or rather female mentioned above did!) pathetic, starving pup like that in shut cardboard box not long ago. If I could find the culprit ...! Yet, there's also a bit too much maudlin sentimentality associated with this activity, methinks!

well charlie i have no doubt that i personally can help this dog -- but right now my house is full with 13 German shepherds -- it would not be fair to the dogs i have made a commitment to presently - i make it my business to give each and everyone of my dogs up to this date the time . play .care and attention they need -- and you are correct there are a lot of dogs that need care too !! many of my friends have adopted dogs with issues .. some similar to what we are dicusssing -- i have tried to place many a dog that was in trouble and have successfully done so . now charlie that is putting one on the spot about signing off ---- anything could happen with any dog at any time -- just like any person is capable of any act at any given time .. and it the same as when i have done i residence training for people .. have given them tapes with the dog performing , have given them personal lessons to go with it .. BUT charlie you know unlesss the owners follows through , are consistent and takes responsibility then what can you say .. charlie i value your opinion .. but let us not be personal -i don;t know wildthing but she didn't deserve that -- if that is how you treat people .. and i don't think you do .. then no wonder you are not advocating helping this dog ,.. now i am not talking about an agressive mean bad adult here.

Wow - this is not a good situation. It is hard to imagine a 4 month old puppy reacting this way - even if abused unless something is wrong with the wiring. But without knowing the pattern to the behavior, it is hard to advise. If this were my dog - the first step would be a complete medical exam to find out if there was a medical reason for the behavior. I would also keep a very detailed diary of the dog's behavior and look to see if there is a pattern. If you can find a cause and effect pattern, you may be able to change the behavior. That may include changing owners. Sometimes with aggression resulting from bad training, it is easier for a new owner to fix than the owner that created the bad training. However, if there is no pattern to the agression, this dog will always be a danger to those around him. Just my opinion.

partishap -- i can help you with your problem -- about the woods -- i do not wish to be big for my briches here -- my intention is only and only to be hel;pful -- part -- i walked 1 mile in the woods this morning wioth 8 sheps off leash ..none went a running -- and when i tell to fuss .. nothing than 8 in fuss -- i am tired over this 16 week pup conversation so i offer you to bring this to my attention again if you would like --i would be ahppy to discuss this with you .

Alpha, it is clear to me your a good man and frankly I do like and respect you.reasonable people can agree to disagree and I think that is where I will end this,Your dogs are lucky to have an owner such as you.Like I mentioned before,perhaps in the pastI have put dogs down that could have been fixed,but untill such time that someone such as yourself can offer a 100% no way shape or form this will be a repeat offender I stand firm on my opinion.I would not let a dog that could be trusted almost 100% be in the house with my children while I'm not there never mind a dog with a history I owe that to them as their father first,a responseable adult second and third someone dedicated to doing my job and doing it right.