Does Pannus run in the Eichenluft dogs? - Page 1

Just heard that Kougar has Pannus and his mother and grandmother had it. Has this been showing up in other breedings being done from dogs down from these lines?

Thanks for any info.,

Rick

Why dont you email Molly and ask her?  I imagine out of all of us she would know best.

~Cate

continue reading the Kougar thread.  Lee really enjoys spreading lies and rumors and she's just doling out more of the same bulls#$t.  Here are the facts.  Arrow (Kougar's mom) and Xinerobella (Kougars' grandmom) did not, at any time, ever in their  lives, have Pannus.  Them's the facts.  If Lee can provide proof that they did, she can have at it.  The problem with Lee is, she only deals with rumors and lies to defame me and others who she doesn't like.  She is a disturbed, confused and unhappy person.  She doesn't want to hear the truth, lies and rumors are what she understands the best.

I have had one dog in my lines that developed "old dog Pannus" at 11 years old - this dog was not related closely to Kougar, and never produced Pannus in her offspring, was diagnosed by a veterinary optomologist as the Pannus NOT being genetic but normal "old dog Pannus" developed because of age.

I am always happy to answer any questions about myself, my dogs or my program.  I have nothing to hide and everything to share with anyone interested in the truth.

In fact, I have a bunch of letters, statements including one from an attorney that would enlighten anyone who would like to know Lee Hough's true nature and <poor> temperament.  Why she has been kicked out of no less than (probably more than) 5 USCA clubs, and is well-known in the area as being a person to avoid at all costs.  I am easy to contact privately for these letters and statements, all of which have contact info for the persons who sent them, none of which were written by me.

molly

"Just heard that Kougar has Pannus and his mother and grandmother had it."

ramgsd, it's better to keep your mouth closed an be thought of as stupid as opposed to opening it and removing all doubt.

Pannus runs in the breed, PERIOD. The reason for it is that it IS genetic. Some dogs get it very young, as have two I have, and some get it very old, as my SchH 3 female did. UV light at higher altitude is THOUGHT (but not proven) to exacerbate it if the genetic predisposition is there.

I personally will not breed a dog I have here who is the daughter of one of the Siegers of Germany, beautiful, wonderful temperament, and absolutely capable of titling. She is the most expensive dog I ever owned and it makes me very sad that I had to make this decision. But it is the right decision. The other dog is a rescue dog from fine working lineage, and she is almost blind.

 IF someone knew there dog had pannus at a young age, it would certainly be reason NOT to breed. But too many do. LEt me be clear, I am NOT saying Molly did. 

So perhaps this thread is finished? It is a moot point. Unfortunately, pannus is a not uncommon problem IN THE BREED! JUST like pancreatic issues, soft ears, hip and elbow problems and a host of other medical issues.

Some pups get it. Some don't., even within a litter. Seems to be more prevalent in male pups with large bone, fast growers, but not always. Of all the problems I can think of prevalent in the breed, give me Pannus anyday compared to the rest because it goes away on its own in a couple of weeks, almost never to return, no long term issues.

SS

Ah Shelley you're thinking of Pano - the long-bone pain puppies sometimes get.  This Pannus is an eye problem, as Hodie said - prevalent in the breed, not proven to be genetic (according to the board-certified veterinary opthomologists I saw for my one dog that developed it at 11 years old) - though they did say if it developed in a young dog, that genetic component was "probable" - old dogs, especially GSDs, can develop it as an "old dog thing", not necessarily (or proven in any way) genetic.

molly

Shelly,

I believe the discussion is about the opthomological disease, pannus--not the orthopedic disease panosteitis.

Gayle

Here is a pretty clear picture of Arrow, Kougar's mother, taken at 11.5 years old, showing her nice clear non-Pannus affected eyeballs.

Lovely pic Molly.

For information, here is a description of GSD pannus:  http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0087.htm