Backs - Page 1

http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/p2p.html?seenIEPage=1

I found this link above and it shows you the change of back angles over a period of years if i may so bold and ask why change a perfectly straight back to a slope one, the english lines over here are classed as 'Old English Straight Backs' and is our bloodline, also our trainer says the  german's like the breed skinny and slim and when they arrived over to england they gave them a stockier bulid and kept the straight backs.

That is a great page.

As the guy says, and so many say the AMERICAN is bad?

They are all bad.

Note:  the 3rd pix in the "American" '40s - Quell v. Fredeholz.  I LOVE that dog.  Magnificent, even if he led to Hessian which led to obsession with trotting and probably eventually to the hock-trotters.

I don't know why someone would say Germans like "skinny" - that's American.  Germans (at least show) are often far too huge - bear-built like Rottweilers with hanging heads, instead of lithe and agile as they should be.

Thanks for that page pasher basher .i still prefer the dogs from the 50s 60s and 70s.I like the american dogs ,i have always kept the old english type .

The American Shepherds are eally now a separate breed.  The most noticeable thing is the way they set themselves up.  The upper arm is near vertical, darned near a straight extension of the lower arm.  This, coupled with verly long weak backs, steep croups and long rear lower thighs (sickle hocks), makes the dogs look weird and completely incompatible with even the American AKC/GSDCA Standard.  And comparethese typical American Shepherds who are top winners in the showring to the FCI/SV standard, which is more correct, and one can see just how distorted they are.  American Shepherds are breeding aberrations and most are mentally weak and very incorrect in temperament.  And their sidegait is extreme in many cases, but usually incorrect ie faulty.  I say most not all, because there are exceptions and I will admit that Sight For Sore Eys (Dallas) produced some fairly good GSDs even by FCI by the standard.  After I attended a Sieger Zuchschau in West Germany, I stopped owning any American Shepherds and lost all interest in anything but actual FCI/SV German Shepherds.

Hello,

I'm quite new to the site and have enjoyed reading the posts.  I have to ask: is there any sort of movement to officially separate the american v. german shepherds?  Frankly, the differences between the two seem to be at least as marked as the differences between American and English cockers, which are separate breeds.  Thanks!

So do you believe that the back should be changed to the german shepherd of old, the dog we used to see in war pictures?