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by Tngsd on 08 October 2004 - 17:10

Don't mean to open this can of worms again, but on Frankie's pedigree - her grandmother on her mother's side is white. (They Lied about no whites in the background)Shadow Oaks Texas star. Plus AKC DNA is only as honest as the people who do it. You can swab a horse's Ass and write your dogs name on front. I also wonder why she registered the dog as black and tan? When she could have wrote in a color. I do believe the AKC would question her if they had a picture of the dog. I don't believe that dog is a purebred, I think there's something else in that woodpile. I knew of a breeder that bred every color including blues and livers together and never got a mix up mess like that. Those colors were bad enough, but this?

by DKiah on 08 October 2004 - 21:10

That's very interesting, because I posted this woman on another chat list and specifically asked who was white in her pedigree, because I thought to get that much white there had to have been someone who was white and she was emphatic about there not being any white dogs... very interesting. Thanks for the info. Have a geneticist friend who thinks it's a different syndrome not the double mutation (or is that double mocha latte?)as this woman states.....

by Het on 08 October 2004 - 23:10

I dont' think AKC would have reg the dog, if she would have put the real color down that is why she put black and tan. wonder what we can do to help fix this with the AKC.

by vomschmetterling on 09 October 2004 - 01:10

According to the AKC website, the Granddam that was listed as white on here, Shadow Oak's Texas Star is a black dog. Her parents are black and black and tan. The breeder must have intended something other than WHITE when they listed the dog's name as Shadow Oak's Texas Star WH.

by PSYGOD on 09 October 2004 - 06:10

Isn't WH Watchdog - the title for guarding possessions?

by gsddebby on 09 October 2004 - 07:10

Not only is the dog listed as Shadow Oaks Texas star officially black, but Just how do you explain that the DNA on the PUPPY matches it's parents? HMMMM The puppy is not a "horses' ass"!!!!!!!! According to the story BOTH dogs were taken to the University for testing. Both owners' were there. Don't you think that the stud dog's owner would WANT it NOT to be out of his dog??? He probably would have been glad if it had not matched!!

by Martin Donaldson on 09 October 2004 - 08:10

Isn't it true that the original dogs used to make up the German Shepherd Dog breed were collie dogs similar to border collies and bearded collies of today crossed with wolves? Some of the old dogs in the Stephanitz book, were whites. Dogs with white markings very prominent then and not now? How many dogs have you seen with a small white spot on a chest or even a toe or two? There are numerous books out there on canine coat color genetics. These recessives, should and would pop up over and over, even with not breeding these colors or breeding away from them as back when. Who is to say with the right juggling of bloodlines even a brindle dog doesn't pop out someday? Many breeds have breeders trying to breed for the 1/4 quarter white dog / solid white chest. Even so isn't it still a making and not considered the coat color? Just spay or neuter based on color? Many do, others are challenging the coat color prejudice. I seen blue colored German shepherd dogs sell for more than to German stud dog imports. Is this fair? Wasn't Italy trying to get white German shepherd dogs recognized as another color? Many thoughts about simple genetics. German zoologists recreated an extinct horse breed and an extinct cattle breed just from breeding modern descendants of those extinct breeds out of today's modern stock. If every breeder in every pedigree was 100% honest, color will occasionally crop up. I seen a German Shepherd Dog female that had a white spot on her chest the size of a shovel blade, she finished out as an AKC champion. Even so, it was a marking not a coat color.

by Tngsd on 09 October 2004 - 17:10

I wasn't saying the puppy was a horse ass, just that you request DNA kit's from the AKC and they send them, you do the swabbing and write them info on them. If they took both parents and the puppy to the University as stated, then why only show a AKC DNA. The biggest reason I don't believe this dog is pure, she should not reproduce herself in her puppies if bred to another pure dog. Most colors in Shepherds are a recessive and what are the odds of another male carrying the so-called panda look???

by gsddebby on 09 October 2004 - 18:10

If you find the whole orignal story (forgot where I read it, but most of it is on the owner's site) You will find that the University stated that if she was ever bred she would produce 50% of the Panda's. I suppose they think once it happens, it becomes a dominate gene. When she was bred she produced 75% pandas. Only 1 pup in the litter of 4 was normal coated. The owner claims that the University wanted her to breed her for research. Just how would you list a DNA by a University? I'm sure the AKC DNA was done in addition to the original. Or maybe they accepted the original. Still, if the AKC is going to register them, I think they should have a seperate designation.

by McLinGSDs on 22 December 2007 - 05:12

I dont agree with much of what is being said on here. If you people were so smart you would know that the white gene in a GSD doesnt cause white markings. It isnt albino and it isnt a white marking that has taken over the body. It is it's own gene. So having white in the pedigree makes no differnce in this. Also not every one knows you can list a different color on there and there is no spot on a GSD's papers for markings. There should be but their isnt.





 


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