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No Louise. In view of the BSP, Helmut Raiser is an SV-LandesgruppenPrüfung-contender who reached the fabulous scores of 98 96 99 = 293 points. No reasonable argument could exclude him from competing.

Helmut is a dues paying member! Thats does NOT mean he must be a robot and go along to get along. He is entiteled to his opinions.......even if that means he goes AGAINST the SV. In MY opinion the SV is being petty!!! The SV doesn't mind cashing his dues check, do they??? Let him compete and leave politics OFF the field!!! I believe he's been a thorn in the SV's side for years......why now??? Why stop him now??? If the do not allow him to compete the BSP will be without Helmut and Fritz (Fritz is injured) be a shame!!!

Look folks we all know what the issue is with the SV and Dr. Raiser.  Dr. Raiser wants the GSD to remain above ALL ELSE a WORKING DOG. A HEALTHY, WORKING DOG.  The current trend in oversized GSD's in the SHOW community is counter productive to health and athletisism.  We all know that without proper form there is no function.  Dr. Raiser also wanted the TSB to mean something.  From the results of this years BSZS, gains have been made in the evaluation of this area.  Perhaps a working (not eligible to judge conformation) Judge should evaluate this criteria at future events.

Until the working and show camps meet in the middle and politics (who you know) is taken out of the judging, it will remain status quo.  The GSD world needs more Dr. Raisers to keep the SV politic in check.

Kyle

Well, rumors are going around today that Dr. Raiser and the other founding members of SV-2000 were banned as members by the SV. The reason is that the "dissident" club is not recognized. No wonder now that the LG Niedersachsen did not want him to start at the BSP! That is a good enough reason. This will put a big brake on getting new members to join that newly founded organization. I want to bet though, that Dr. Raiser will go straight to his lawyer and put him/her back to work. It will cost the SV a lot of money again in legal fees, just like the battle when Dr. Raiser was voted down as National Breed Warden. He did not go quietly then, either, but he did go!!

Chris

I'm sorry Chris, that just seems silly to me.  If he want's to start another organization, what's the big deal?  It seems to me that the SV is inviting the legal fees.

"Dissident" club just puts a bad taste in my mouth. 

Hi Betty,

my guess is that the SV goes by their by-laws (paragraph 9, section (5), b)) which states that members can be eliminated if they become members in a cynological society which does not belong to the VDH or the FCI. www.schaeferhund.de/site/typo3conf/ext/nf_downloads/pi1/passdownload.php Unfortunately only available in German, scroll down to page 5, left upper column!

I don't know if the SV is able to win a legal challenge or not. These by-laws will certainly be scrutinized. We have to see!

Personally, I think that the SV uses this to set an example! They might have a lot more members to loose.

Chris

I would never critisize the SV because I am not a member of the organization and I don't fully understand the way it works.  I have no doubt there is much more to the situation than meets the eye, and the politics are perhaps more complicated than it appears from the outside.  I will say if Herr Helmut Raiser ever relocated to the USA, us working folk would be very grateful to have him and would welcome him with open arms.  He is a national treasure.

I understand what you are saying and agree, I think to a certain degree.   If that is the organization's rule and it is not being selectively enforced.......

But it just all seems silly to me, and I'm sure there is plenty of silliness on both sides.

It's just  a shame that it can't be about the dogs.

Dr. Raiser has confirmed that the entire managing committee (with the founder members) of the SV-2000 has been striken off the membershiplist of the SV. Pang! Just like that. “Expelliarmus!”

Needless to say that this of course is unlawful, as was the cancellation of his candidacy to compete at the BSP (the spirit of true sportsmanship will allow only the best to compete in this trial; arbitrariness, as it was documented at the Landesgruppe in question, can have no room in the application procedure for this event, or any other competition for that matter).

One cannot prohibit people setting up new organizations, and there are no laws or rules in the SV-Vereinsordnung at all (YET!!) that would exclude him or his friends from being or staying members of the SV (even whilst setting up a new breeding club). The assessment of any court will be, that there is nothing illegal about their plans, as it was clear from the start that the SV-2000 would be just another club under the roof of the VDH and the FCI. So what’s the problem? Steps taken against SV-2000 and Helmut Raiser are wrong and members must not and will not accept this.

463 members has the new SV2000,  People who bring dammage to the SV should be banned  , it has and will cost only much much money  what finally has to be payed by the members of the SV    !!   , and the most normal working people /members are now a bit of tired from it. and that he is not allowed to start in Meppen ....fine,   why should the SV the club that he is bringing down all the time give him a podium , to let out his crazy idears?  The SV should make a statement ! you are a member of the SV and represent it  , or   get lost ,with that  other 462 .  it is better to  loose such members as to keep them . go on with that new club and show us all how it has to be done,   HR is a top workingdog man. and in some of his points I can go with him, but  if you want to change things you should choose the normal way in the organisation , and if you dont get the votes for it ,the idears are maybe not as good as you think