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Figure this out!

Now my dog is a very fine workingdog. He did well in the selections, in fact he did outstanding, reaching 98 - 96 - 99 = 293 points.

But due to SV-politics in my regional club, I'm not allowed to enter the "Bundessiegerprüfung" (BSP) in Meppen, my dog and I are excluded.

Now, you may not like my face or my ideas, but my dog deserves better, doesn't he? He's all one can dream of, for a working GSD.

Would you support my candidacy, or should I just stay at home?

Your comments are wellcome and appreciated. I'm thinking about a petition.

Should not the best teams compete for the title? And is 293 points not a fine recommendation for an invitation? 

Politics have almost ruined the sport on Great Britain with a number of the better handlers refusing to even do the selection trials this year ans also handelers having qualified for the teams withdrawing from both the WUSV and the FCI team you have my sympathy lets hope any new club that may be formed ie SV2000 can avoid this situation

Figure this out!

The BSP is a German even for Germans. You are not a German resident. So this could not have been you. Also includes dogs residing in Germany, so would not apply to a dog of yours then.

Only one score like this was achieved at this years LGAs. But not by you. If this person will indeed not be chosen to go to Meppen then I am sure this person is well equipped to address the issue himself. He is very well known for his outspokenness after all. Interesting that after all he's proclaimed in the past year or two that he is even still competing at SV events.

Bottom line are the rules that say:
Jeder LG bleibt es vorbehalten, ihre Mannschaft auszuwählen,wobei sämtliche Hunde bei der vorangegangenen LG-Ausscheidungsprüfung oder an einer anderen von der LGorganisierten überregionalen Prüfung die Bewertung “V” oder “SG” sowie im Schutzdienst “TSB ausgeprägt” ereicht haben müssen. Angekörte Hunde erhalten bei gleichem Ausscheidungsergebnis den Vorzug.

Meaning: The final decision is with each LG regarding who continues to the BSP and who does not. Check your SV Magazine from June 2007. Starting page 328.

If the dog deserves better, does that include a better owner too ;o). One who is not one of SVs prime politicians and does not get his whole LG pi**ed off at him so that the dog may not end up competing. If that really is the case here. Maybe just another publicity stunt. GSD tabloids have  been rather quiet about that person lately...

Starting a petition? Meaning you plan to take up more time of the SV again. Oh boy. The rest of the SV membership will certainly benefit from all the individual attention seekers that eat up SV time and resources. Yes, the club and the dogs will definitely benefit. I can see it already.

He did well in the selections, in fact he did outstanding, reaching 98 - 96 - 99 = 293 points.

What selections that were and what place does your dog took? May be there were 10 dogs with scores more that 293 before you...

And what is the reason for not allowing to enter the BSP? You are not resident of Germany? Than may be you can qualify from your country to WUSV?

Hi !

Jantie is talking about Dr.Helmut Raiser`s situation.

Helmut won the regionals with 9 points different to the next dog and the SV will not let him enter the BSP

Very best regards

Terry

Terry, Thanks for the explanation.   Jantie, I was wondering if you had changed to working lines! 

This will be interesting to follow.  A 9 point difference between the top two seems like an extremely strong agruement to support Dr. Raiser's attending the BSP.  I do hope you closer to the situation will keep us informed.

Interesting to follow it is indeed, animules.

Terry is right! (Hello to you!) My introduction is indeed fictitious (as all insiders will know), it is NOT about me. It is however about Helmut Raiser, one of the best competitors in gsd-sports ever.

It is scandalous, should he not be entered into this high-level competion. You are D.H., again, missing the point.

I AM a member of the SV, and all members have a right to speak their minds, and to adress major problems as and when they occur. When "bottom lines are the rules" and they are bad, they must be changed.

I hope the world will speak its mind, and let the SV know, this is NOT a way to treat sportsmen in 2007.

"The final decision is with each LG ??"

Ooh no! The "final decision" (in a democracy) is with the SV-members, who cannot accept this kind of behaviour! And must raise their voices and adress the subject publicly.

"Oh boy. The rest of the SV membership will certainly benefit from all the individual attention seekers that eat up SV time and resources."

Things can only change for the better, when people speak their minds freely, and collectively try to improve things. You should know by now, that attention is not what I seek. I am merely adressing stupidities that SV-members cannot relate to in this new age. Why do you think so many people are wandering of?

P.S.: BTW. Why are you afraid to even write his name? You were aware of it, were you not?

What happened that they won't allow Dr. Raiser to enter?

DH or Terry, can someone fill us in? I'm just curious.......is it because he's been so outspoken?

Jantie,

you are a Belgian citizen living in Belgium. I am a German citizen living in the U.S. Neither one of us has current information and knowledge of what is happening in the different regions in Germany regarding political issues within the SV.  Therefore, it would be wise to exercise restraint.. You know how it is with opinions: Everybody has one! I am very familiar with your "M.O." by now: You skim different forums on a regular basis and throw out bits and pieces as bait. In this case, you have this information from the workingdog forum Schaeferhund.net!

You jump on Daniela for not getting the point. This is completely wrong and you know it. She was trying to be polite without addressing this issue more directly. The fact is and remains that it is not a central SV matter but a matter with Dr. Raiser's region. The Landesgruppe Niedersachsen has decided that it is not in their best interest to have Dr. Raiser represent them at the BSP. While it is a matter of opinion that they should have told him that before he trialed in the LGA (regional qualifier for the BSP), this is a fact. So please, do not tell D.H. that she is wrong. She is stating facts. Fact is that no region is obligated to send the first place participant to the BSP. Yes tradionally, that  is the way it is always done, but according to SV regulations, it is up to the LGs.

Grimmdog,

what happened is that Dr. Raiser has caused a lot of uproar last year and finally founded a new club called SV-2000. They have a website: http://www.zuechtergemeinschaft.de . Unfortunately, it is only in German. Maybe, Jantie can offer his translation services. To sum up: This new club was recently registered with the court in Goettingen (this city is in Niedersachsen and the responsible jurisdiction for Dr. Raiser who resides in Hann.-Muenden). According to the a.m. website, it is planned to apply for VDH-membership but this is currently not possible due to going through the motions of the German court system of registrations. The LG Niedersachsen based their decision of excluding Dr. Raiser on him founding a "dissident club". If my memory serves correctly, the SV also has a stipulation on members being excluded if they belong to a non-FCI club. Dr. Raiser is threatening with legal steps, which will cost the SV membership dearly, again. We have to sit back and wait and see!

IMO, I can understand the decision of the LG to exclude him. He has continously attacked the SV and condemned everything it stands for. Why would they want to have him representating them? It is a travesty for both sides.

Chris

Thanks for the info, Silbersee.