It's not just a dog show - Page 4

Well randy did you read Michelles post. At least someone else saw it.

Thanks Michelle, for being so percise in your statement.

Hey Randy, Your telling me that you never complained  at the shows.We did have a few confersations,, I guess I was wrong.

I do find your conduct very unsportsman like. You apepar disrespectful, petty and spiteful. I see no German owners listed in the results page. So how can a German owner go into the ring and get his dog re-instated if no German owned dog was listed in the results

Randy , Are you questioning my sportsmanship, I don't have a right to voice and oppinion, If I see a lack of respect for the rules your telling me just shut up and live with it.BS, Not me. Last time I looked my noise was still white and not brown.

As far as being petty, I don't think so. If being petty is standing up for something, Well then I'M KING PETTY.

 I also don't think I'm being spiteful,I haven't done anything to get even with anyone. At least not yet, Ha Ha.

So how can a German owner go into the ring and get his dog re-instated if no German owned dog was listed in the results

Well then being I witnessed and heard the owner for myself, You telling me and everyone else I'm wrong. The only thing I might be wrong about is if the owner who ran into the ring wasn't German. But still why was this done. Do you think that was right for the judge to do.Or just maybe you didn't see that like you didn't see the helper getting bit.

Then there is the hypocrisy of you sending your dog specifically to Germany to take advantage of the Germans when it suits your needs

What does me sending my dogs to Germany for titling have to do with anything.We all do it. I don't have time to title my dogs. Do you. I  work 12 hr days.

 but lo and behold you should be inconvenienced by a German on your home turf... And the hypocrisy of you accepting a KKL for life on a dog you are now telling us is oversize. I have a question for you: next SS in October, you show up with your dog, your dog stays in the ring, some other dog gets dismissed because of size. What will YOU do?

First of all I live in NY, and not Canada. I have no problem with people from Germany coming here. I have many friends and wish to keep them. This is not about people from Germany, It still is about the things that accured at this show that were wrong. So stop trying to egnore the truth.

And I will not be showing my oversized male at the SS or any show ever. Remember he was measured by this wonderful judge. So what about all the others that were to big. will they to stop showing there horses to. Plus I think this was the first time I ever saw a judge do this. Has anyone else seen a judge do this. Tell me.It is possible. I don't go to as many shows as you get to.

A bite on an exposed body part such as a hand will very quickly leave clear evidence of a bite. We all know what a bite is. So lets stay real here. The judge asked to see the hand, determined there was no evidence of a bite and made his ruling accoringly. If there was no bite, no rule was broken, the decision was correct.

Randy read this It's Micelles post, Someone who saw the truth, then tells the truth then spoke with the helper himself. Now what do you say? This dog , and I don't care whose ownes the dog, I happen to like the owner very much, Great guy. But right is right. Just like the judge sending some dogs out instead of all the oversize dogs. 

Just to clarify one point:

Steve, I think that you confused. You are quoting D.H.'s post, not Randy's. Just for the record!!!

Chris

My girl was in the show entered in the class above where the female ran from the ring terrified and allowed back into the ring with additional people and her kennel mate for a redo. I knew being a nobody with a nobody dog and she was the youngest dog in the class I think very immature in build compared to the others. Of course, I wished her do well, but I knew I was there more for the experience. No one could tell me my dog wasn't tops in my heart and I do not need a judge to tell me she is beutiful. I could not have been more proud of her that day. She stood like the champion of my heart that she is for the shot with a stranger after having never been from my side a day in her life, while the dog that placed above her ran from her own owner's hand. I know I have the better dog though that day I was disgusted. I had an awesome time regaurdless. I loved the trip and had an awesome traveling companion that was full of fun and laughter. I met wonderful people in person from online. I didn't do this with rose colored glasses or for the hopes of having top dog. I have been around dog shows and know the politics of them. I took pleasure home with me and pride in my dog for the many people who during our walks stopped and talked with us. The kind gentlemen Imet late one night in the hotel parking lot while I cared for her. The gentleman that also inquired of my companion about my dog and complimented her to my friend. Hundreds of dogs on the property and she caught the eye of breeders and showers and they took the time to talk with me and were friendly. Over all I had an awesome wekkend and will never forget it. I know nothing of the situation you are in but I do know bitterness from unfair, and I was upset about it. If my dog should place behind another judged fairly so be it. To allow a lesser dog prooven cowardly ahead of her, no I don't agree. But when I signed up for the show I was well aware of what I would find or could find in the politics of it. I was ready to accept it. I think others were more worried about that for me than I was lol I went for the experience and the times I had chatting with good folks relaxing after each day and the love I have for my dog, none can tell me she is not as good or better than the dog that fled i already know what I have I just wanted a judge's critic that I was promised when signed up for the show only to be later told only way to get was buy the whole show on dvd lol.

I was with Newbie at the show she is talking about and witnessed that puppy running from the ring when the starter pistol was fired. I won't go into details and start another row about it, I've already been told it did not happen like I said it did, but I know what I saw. Anyway, that puppy was permitted back into the ring and was placed fairly high.

I understand that there is hesitation to point out anything negative that happens at a show on a public list. Reputations can easily be made or broken here.

I have had the pleasure of watching some exceptional judging in the past year.  Where a judge would take the best dog and put him/her in the final position because he felt the dog did not have the nerves to be up front.  Then he would in the kindest manner possible make recommendations to the owners how to socialize the dog so it could do better in the future, if shown again.  He did not belittle, he helped and educated.  These judges have very keen insight into temperament of our breed.  The Siegershows are very nice and great events but please also support the club and regional shows.  You get to see the dogs up close and get a nice lunch too. 

Last year, my dog was shown at several shows in Germany, and the judges did measure the dogs and also gave the option to the exhibitors to withdraw their dogs before the gaiting.  The oversized dog is a part of the past.  Breeding dogs is not a static matter but dynamic and we all have to adjust to the movements in place to hopefully maintain a high standard in our breed.  Four years ago, I was told already that the SV is going to be hard on size.  It took awhile in coming, but the time is finally here.  To turn this around for a second, how would you feel if your dog was absolute standard and an oversized dog is placed before him?  Four years ago, not even elbow X-rays were mandatory.  Now they are.  Every year the bar is being brought up higher.  If we want quality before quantity, we have to move with the tide or be locked out of the game for good.  

I'm with Sunshine 100%. I've seen what too much size can do to other working breeds and  generally speaking it's not good. When dogs get too large and heavy boned, they lose their athleticism and endurance.  A tending dog must be agile and quick and able to keep at it 24/7 if necessary.  A big, heavy boned GSD with short legs, a heavy muzzle, a lot of rib spring  and angulation is not going to make it as a tending dog and  would probably fail as a protection dog when endurance is required for activites that are more challenging than a ring appearance.  

Many AKC breeds have DQ's for heights over and under the ideal size. IMO it's a very good thing and should be taken as a positive and an effort to retain the working qualities of the breed. Nutrition is better today, but IMO that is not what is making dogs bigger, it's their genes. No dog will ever grow larger than it's gene pool dictatates no matter what it is fed. Proper nutrition will only assure they reach their full genetic potential.

It's all about retaining the survival characteristics that have set apart the GSD from all other breeds. We can never condone personal preferences or politics taking precedence over the breed standard.

top dog, thank you for confirming for all of us the general level of accuracy of your personal observations and recollections.
DH = Daniela