WUSV dogs that fail............ - Page 9

Gustav, have you ever been engaged with original litter of pups from East Germany? if you did, then tell us what damn was so much specialized in them to wreck breed of shepherd? here is video (shitty shot but only one available) of Gero z Blatenskeho Zamku, shown by Jiri Novotny in no staged walk by surrounding.

Gero by his temperament was considered among breeders and GSD community as a hard/civil dog and was used with purpose to replicate of himself in his progeni.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4dgun1qNp4

what in the hell wrong, you and other opponents of hard dogs, can see in this dog?

 

 

duke 1965, in last your post you're right. strong defense drive have been part of standard from very beginning... 'till it did start to negatively impact financial gains of breeders.

but they continue to insist that they breed the dogs perfectly to the standard.

'...no staged walk..'. So people in Czech always walk around with a bite sleeve and whip?
How does the hardness of Gero manifest itself in that little bite with front teeth and repeatedly biting the sleeve on the ground?
My dog on page one here is ten times the dog...and reproduced his fighting traits in his offspring.
I have one of his sons now that will fight the man, not the sleeve like gero did.

joanro, i'm absolutely sure that Czechoslovakian border control service did lost a lots when they didn't appoint you as commanding officer and director of their z Pohranicni Straze kennel back in 1981 

one good thing is to see a dog that is not jumping on every stranger licking faces and wagging tail.

I worked and own 2nd and 3th generation Gero offspring and will take them over most sport line dogs today

"...jumping on every stranger licking faces and wagging tail"

sounds like dream dog for true breeders, isn't?
in meantime, headlines in the news "citizen was killed during his walk by furious german shepherd dog, which was at same time on the walk with owner and had licked stumbled innocent stranger, to the death" 

Valk, first, I'm not against hard dogs I'm against breeding for hard dogs. Second, I bred DDR dogs( Gero is not DDR dog) from the fall of the iron curtain to the early 2000s. I had dogs from direct sons of Held, Lord, and Zorro in my breeding stock. I have first hand knowledge of DDR dogs not internet video chatter. In my hand right now is a signed copy by Werner Dalm's book, Die DDR -Seiger aus zuchterischer Sicht, I have trained, bred, and worked DDR dogs. Third, I bred and placed my first LE dog in 1980 and I arranged the breeding, raised & trained my last successful LE dog in 2016. i have forgot more about breeding or hard dogs than most folks, especially on internet. I also have titled a dog in eighties in Sch and in the 2000s in IPO sport. I have been a military dog trainer, not handler.....so Valk I find it amusing you telling me about hard dogs. Nothwithstanding the above, I know the pedigrees of the dogs that consistently produced strong working dogs from Germany, DDR, and Czech/Slovakia from experience. You have a lot to learn about hard dogs, DDR dogs, and especially breeding dogs, and it starts by learning to recognize who DOES really know something about these subjects.
I'm done with you....take care.

Valk: " joanro, i'm absolutely sure that Czechoslovakian border control service did lost a lots when they didn't appoint you as commanding officer and director of their z Pohranicni Straze kennel back in 1981."

So, valk, instead of your childish response, why not answer my legitimate question....how is the 'hardness' you claim is being demonstrated in that vid of gero manifested?
Because all I see is sport dog and the needing to be fired up with a whip. Not to mention the condition of the dog is not looking too good there...he is flat footed and can't stand on the toes of his feet so much so, he is rocked back behind his pads. You also claimed the vid scene was not 'staged', when clearly it is.

You attempt demeaning, without even knowing the pedigree of the dog I referenced on page one, here, which is from novotny's partner's kennel (Pokorny) and my dog is PZS originated from DDR.

But I'm pretty sure that information is meaningless to you.

I think you are no more than a keyboard authority with zero real experience with actual dogs but only with virtual dogs on internet.
 

In the video of Gero where the three guys are standing around, I see him ignoring them and doing a lot of sniffing the ground, which could be subtle signs of avoidance/insecurity. I think the one guy was Putin. I also noticed the frontal bite and that he was not that man oriented. I have to wonder how much of the stories about some of the Czech dogs are exaggerated or based on poor assessments of the dogs.

apple, a lot of romanticizing happens. For example; I've read the tale that gero was sold to a trucking company who used him as a truck yard gard....supposedly there was a wall in the office with the torn and shredded clothes of many gero victims. After watching that video,I can believe the dog would tear clothing from the perceived intruders and focus on shredding the pieces of cloth separated from the person while the guy ran to safety.

I have seen progeny of Gero, second/third generation and dogs linebred on him. They pretty much all were strong dogs overall, primarily because of the influence of Klara z PS. I can't speak for Gero, but he did bring hardness to the breed, although health issues also came!