GSD fraud? - Page 9

"What I was trying to tell you folks was that YOU have a problem!! There are people out there taking YOUR dogs & selling them as "shilohs" -- and here I thought that some of you might care about YOUR reputation!"

Who, Tina?  Who is taking V or better rated, titled, German bloodline dogs and selling them as Shiloh's?

Some of the Posters here must be very insecure and believe that the Shiloh is a "threat" to the GSD.    I suppose that some of you also need a Belt and Suspenders to hold up your pants.    What is making you so scared ??   

In my opinion, the biggest threat to the GSD is the training -- "Protection Phase" of Schutzhund -- that is going to put the GSD at risk of being labeled a "dangerous/at risk" dog.  This is actually already happening.  There are insurance companies that will not cover a homeowner if they own a GSD; in addition more restrictive animal control laws are being passed everyday for what "the public" and officials consider dangerous dogs.   Yet, you perceive some "threat" from the Shiloh.   Get Real !!!

Per ISSR Shiloh----- "Not one ISSR Shiloh Shepherd has ever ended up abandoned or in a shelter or on the street. Tina and the SSDCA can account for every single ISSR Shiloh alive at this very moment. No ISSR Shiloh Shepherd goes homeless. if one needs to be re-homed there are many willing to take them in. No ISSR Shiloh has ever been given up due to aggressive behavior or training issues."

Sorry, but bullcrap to this one!!!! A total lie, A Shiloh shepherd ended up in rescue just last year and Tina admited it was one of her dogs, after we contacted her, she didn't know it was in rescue till we told her, even had it put up on her site, I helped a friend list it on my site too, after it was found to be one of her dogs, at least she did post it, and helped to find it a home...

Also, years ago a personal friend of mine bought a SHILOH shepherd directly from Tina, paid a fortune way back then, around $1500, it was the most fearful dog I have ever met. We tried for several months to rehab that dog and finally had to send it back to her, He never received his refund either...lesson learned...so here is a dog that was sent back due to fearful, aggressive, training problems...

The dog would pee whenever you talked to it. They had to keep it on a chain outside when they were around, just so they could catch it to  get it back into the house. It ran away and tried to bite anyone that touched it, other than their young son at the time...He tried to work with it constantly...it was afraid of its own shadow...

So here is just one example that I know of personally with a fearful shiloh shepherd....
Enough said and this post needs to die...
To each his own...
Steph

Yes -- just ONE example.   For every example you give, there are numerous similar examples with a GSD.

Face it -- If anyone comes on this Site and does not think as you think -- goes against the narrow-minded "group thought" on this Forum -- you guys just "freak out."    If this "group mentality"  weren't so twisted and pathetic, it would be laughable.

Maggie, I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are attacking people for standing up for their breed of choice. Read the op carefully and you should be able to understand that  serious gsd breeders have no horse in this race. This is all about a crossbred dog and the people affected by it are Shiloh shepherd breeders and owners. It certainly has nothing to do with gsd fraud, if anything it is Shiloh shepherd fraud and since we're talking a crossbred dog , I'm not sure that is possible. While it is generally a good thing to stick up for the underdog, sometimes it's not the right thing to do.
                                                                                                                                             Michael

Why do you want to vilify Tina?   I'm sure she has made some mistakes -- don't we ALL?    It just boggles my mind that some people will zero in on an incident and absolutely beat/pound a person over the head with it.   If you are not familiar with her breeding program, how can you make such judgments?   

I do not believe that Tina is a Bad Breeder -- the fact is, she is breeding a type of dog that "you guys/gals" don't like; therefore, you feel justified in ridiculing her and the Shiloh.   I just can't wrap my head around this type of thinking.  

What is laughable is watching MM in action, once again. Maybe TIna will give you a discount now for one of her dogs, because face it, that is the "breed" more suited to hanging out in the garage or being a lawn ornament.

The only freak out is MM. Don't try to change the subject sweetie, Schutzhund protection phase is a red herring on this thread.

Tina, I hold nothing against you or your efforts, I would say your ideas are a work in progress and have evolved over time like everthing else in this world. Yes, this board is a hard nut to crack and here is a tip: People here don't want a different type of dog, they want a correct GSD.
 
I do understand what you think you are attempting here, your Shilohs owe much to the GSD and you feel a kinship with them, whereas diehards of the GSD see it as defection and dereliction. I'm with Mike in that there is no stopping people from breeding what they want, just don 't expect much support from these quarters, (surprised Prager hasn't stopped by, he always speaks highly of you and your Shiloh's with respect. As does Sunsilver.) And I am only guessing but as your breeding program gets closer to being recognized as a new breed it should be easier for the GSD people to let go of their biases. They won't change breed, LOL but you knew that! Oh, except for Maggie, but she's really a Yorkie person, which you'll find out if you stay to make friends with her.

Best wishes wherever life takes you.

the painfully low numbers they have in the OFA database speaks volumes for that breed. I would be hard pressed not to believe these things ain't comin' up dysplastic right and left     ''ya' can't swing a dead cat with out hittin; one thats dysplastic'' may be an approriate motto.................

"Yes -- just ONE example. For every example you give, there are numerous similar examples with a GSD."

For that comparison to be statistically valid, one would need to consider the percentages of each respective breed that fall into that category.