Inappropriate Agression , but is this a fear biter? - Page 8

Thanks Centurian ! BTW, if the first video disgusted you, you really should take a look at the second one ... now THERE is an unhappy dog in a muzzle; as demonstrated at an LE training event.

I didn't disregard, but the second video made the connection between the two screen names for me...
Totally disgusting to see such abuse being videoed. I've seen the same thing done at a sch club....I quit after seeing how abusive the 'head trainer' was.

The most basic question can open doors to new ideas, angles reading every one's perspective.

same problem, much stronger dog, bonding without conflict , dog on sedalin, no need for macho video

 

https://youtu.be/QKNdUPsScKw

 

next day, no stress at all, no insecurity

https://youtu.be/mxNdwprNp54

The second video Hund....... I .. I am lost.. for words .

Centurian-
LOL. Second vid was what reminded me of Planet of the Apes.
Overkill much? Must be a real killer...2 lines, muzzle and remote.

First vid, I think in defense of the trainer, it may be first meeting.
He is doing what may need to be done with some aggressive and lack of control dogs, which is trainer standing his ground in a calm way (with muzzle) so dog finds out this tactic is useless when not commanded and is allowed to power himself out to his hearts content. And at the same time, to see/test dogs temperament/reactions. But we don’t know for sure the context. But imo there is thought, feeling and knowledge behind it.
But would be interested in your take.

I looked at some other videos he’s done and he seems to know what he is doing. I wish I could understand some of his seminar videos that seem to be well attended, but unfortunately I don’t understand French. Not to be stereotype, but in general I find a lot of French to be pretty no nonsense and get a job done. These dogs certainly aren’t cream puffs.

Duke-
When you train on sedalin, does dog keep what he learns ok after, when off Sedalin? And keep same emotional less aggressive level when not on Sed? I have no experience with it and appreciate insight.
 

puke

Nan's, indeed. That's why I shut it down after the first couple seconds. I'd like to do the same thing to all those slime balls who think its OK to treat any dog that way......may they rot in hell.

jessejones, I dont train on sedalin, only play with the dog and talk with the dog, so he gets to know my voice and smell and feels comfortable, it is something I basically only do when taking them out first time, never had to give it to any dog second time

as you can see in the vids it takes away stress and conflict and risk of getting bitten, doesnot get you spectaculair vids unfortunately

 

Duke, sedative or not, that dog does not look too f****d-up or beyond nasty, anyway; he seems to be aware of / interested in life and his surroundings, in both videos. All of which one would prefer to see.

Whereas, dog in first (Pupier) video looked, to me, so intent on getting A) out of the muzzle and B) biting somebody/anybody, he had nothing left for his surroundings.

Is that how the dog in your two videos WOULD have looked at the very beginning (i.e. pre Sedalin) ?

 

As for the poor, shut-down lad being hauled around in the OP-presented SitMeansSit video ... well, I can see why others find that so disturbing. Whatever the dog's 'criminal behaviour' had been; don't believe he deserved that idea of corrective training.  I wish I could say I was both shocked and amazed that a Police Dept. had anything to do with that 'training' - but sadly I wasn't that surprised. 

What I can't work out is quite what role Fred Hassen has in that video - is he just on the camera / observing / 'learning', or what ?  From his head-shot on his icon, he is not either of the 'trainers' holding a leash each ...