WUSV dogs that fail............ - Page 8

Reliya with DDR dogs overall weren't any specific sophistications. dogs just like any other dogs. only more healthier, stronger, agile than western counterpart, with more pronounced defense, because no one believed that should be bred out from characteristic. no one bred them for blind, uncontrolable aggressiveness. if sport were have been as much popular back then as now is, there was plenty of dog to succede in this field. instead they just ended up as a family dogs, watching after property. wasn't hesitant to bite intruders but i never heard about them to kill someone.
in such pool one has much greater chance to find the dog, suitable for work than among present stock of labrashepherds.
i don't know who did spread misconception that DDR dogs was biological killer machines with excess of agression against anything breathing and moving.
take a look at specialized law enforcement or military kennels and their efficiency. their existence alone mainly motivated by the lack of supply of suitable dogs from private breeders. they in fact trying to replicate DDR breeding system, but on the way smaller scale. forbes have found the numbers for RCMP - 17%. i don't know past statistic for DDR, but from what i saw through own experience, efficiency perhaps would be no more than 25-30%. remains was just your average dog but with absence of genetic diseases.

Glock i'm just buyer, like you. not a breeder. and you ask me to find for you particular special pup or dog?
only i can tell you for sure - there is no lines which can give you 100% proof that this particular upcoming litter gonna produce precisely, what you're looking for. as Reliya mentioned above, i like Targa Aristar Bastet and i see very good potential in her. but that's my personal opinion, based on what i saw, what i know about her background and who is breeder. even so, the odds come into play - which dog will be matted to her and whose genes will prevail in pups, thus in any case there will be need in test for desirable traits and experience to perform such test.

Swarnendu, looks just as you say

p.s. Reliya, Greta been long gone but yeah, she and Jaguar Aritar Bastet left fresh bloodline with quite impressive progeny

I know, Valk. Glock was asking for bloodlines you like instead of just descriptions of what you like.

Ideally, and the better breeders from my experience and opinion, you should be able to get LE dogs from the same litter that you get service dogs, that you get herding dogs, that you get family dogs. It just depends on which puppy you have. That was the way it was in the past, as Conformation Seiger routinely produced LE dogs in litters.
Breeding exclusively for aggression or LE dogs has never been beneficial to the breed...breeding litters that NONE of the dogs are capable of LE work is not what the creator wanted either. Most of the people that criticize the breeding of dogs with good active aggression, are usually content with breeders that produce no active aggression....which has created these whole lines that won't bite butter. You don't breed to satisfy consumers, dogs are living and not cars or trucks. There is a purpose for the breed, standards to ensure these purposes can be maintained, and quality breeders who put this first instead of what they think ought to be bred.

Yup. We've had in one litter two LE dogs, two Mondio/Ring Dogs, the Mondio Dog would also make a fantastic Service Dog because of how balanced he is. one Service Dog (Seizure Alert), and a few pet dogs. The Seizure Alert could also make a super Ring or IPO dog but he can't be "woken up". Most of them could do several things. The Mondio Dog would also make a good police dog.

Cliff is correct and I've always agreed with him on that. You should breed for a solid German Shepherd Dog. Not for IPO, not for confirmation, not for LE itself but for a solid dog and for what the GSD is actually supposed to be.

Gustav, BE :  ...   why do some people seem to find this so difficult to understand ?

well, actually, what you put in to a breeding geneticly, will hopefully come out at best, so its far from a reality that every breeding will bring the above described.

than again, if you want to exel in sports/points, its understandable that people will breed for sport traits, same as show people breed for show traits

now if we want to breed for LE we use other dogs and there are breeders that produce over 70 % passing rate, but these people select breeding material based on genetic qualities, not trained behaviour, not titles and not who owns the dog.

than there is also a lot of different types of dogs desired by various LE agencies, so breeding program of army might produce a number of dogs that doesnot fit their needs, but can be used by other agencies

all together the numbers mentioned of percentage of succes by breedingprograms should and could be higher

Do any of you know who the dogs were in the video that 'failed' the courage test?

Duke..." every" breeding bringing about anything is hardly a reality. You can judge nothing by " EVERY ", but specialization breeding has done more harm than good for the breed....unless you are competing in these specialized worlds exclusively.

Gustav, the dogs/litters I am talking about could be used in sport as well, also most are suitable as pet, its all about balance, but if you dont start to breed with quility material its hard to expect anything,

when you breed medium or lower quality dogs to begin with, chances of quality of pups falling upwarts is pretty slim

I agree 1000% in what you just said....also there are many many dogs that I would never have used in my breeding program exactly because of what you said. Dogs that come from generations of dogs that can no longer do ANY part of the standard,( not saying all pups must be able to do X, but if none can do X in the litter then.....) they are not breeding stock to me.