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by Wahrheit on 19 December 2010 - 18:12
It is one thing to disagree and argue that "ok, the guy served his sentence and if a judge allows him to have a dog, you are fine with that. Most people are not fine with it, and IF the criminal justice system had the teeth it needs to deal with cases like this, we would not even be talking about this. Sadly, it does not and most here will do little to help change that. But It is quite another thing to make the argument you do above. And in the case of your other sorry excuse for a human being, remember, he was found liable in a civil court, not to mention he is now in jail for other crimes..............
So you, to use your word, "rejoice" at the kind of person these guys are? Says a lot about you. Pathetic!!

by Ace952 on 19 December 2010 - 19:12
He has since done community service, been humble and taken all of the NASTY comments people have made about him, his family, etc. Many of you all have went above and beyond what it is called for.
Yes I will like many others rejoice in him being a positive person and showing that he won't let one horrible act doom his future and linger over his head as many of you all want to do.
I have lived long enough to see other people commit crimes against PEOPLE and get off with no jail time and there are no rally's, cries of outrage or anything else..

by BabyEagle4U on 19 December 2010 - 19:12

by CrysBuck25 on 19 December 2010 - 20:12
So if time/fines served/paid equals a new start, then let's not hear anything else about any dog abuser that wants to get on with their lives. It's not fair to divide by class. That's prejudice.
Just my opinion,if he's ever again allowed to have a dog, I wouldn't sell him one, not if he offered me ten million dollars for it. His wife and kids must live under the same penalties he did because they cannot own a dog with him in the home, and that's the way it is. The kids will not always be little kids, and someday, they can get their own dogs. Vick's dog ownership is in the court's hands, and not ours.
Karma can be such a pain, though.
Crys

by raymond on 19 December 2010 - 20:12

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by MaggieMae on 19 December 2010 - 20:12
Ace -- It just amazes me that you will "celebrate M. Vick and O.J". -- one tortured and killed dogs and the other killed two people -- but that apparently means little to you. Your own words/thoughts have clearly demonstrated the sickness that has taken hold and is pervasive in our society.
Celebrities are put on a pedestal in our society. Hollywood / Sports figures / Politicians / Very wealthy people are given a Pass. Why?
Just because Vick and OJ played Football and provided entertainment to their fans, they are still idolized by many who don't give a damn about the vileness of their character and the horrible acts they committed.
I'll stop right here -- I have so much more that I could say to you, but it would be a waste of my time.
by GSDsRock on 19 December 2010 - 21:12
From the book "The Lost Dogs" written by Jim Gorant, the senior editor of Sports Illustrated:
“As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn't kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead.”
From:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/11/03/petscol110309.DTL&tsp=1
"What Michael Vick did was not just dog fighting," said Marthina McClay of Our Pack, a pit bull rescue group in Santa Clara, and the owner of one of the Vick dogs, Leo. "It went so far beyond that, and most people who defend him are uninformed. They don't really realize what Michael Vick did."
"The details that got to me then and stay with me today involve the swimming pool that was used to kill some of the dogs," Reynolds wrote on her blog. "Jumper cables were clipped onto the ears of underperforming dogs, then, just like with a car, the cables were connected to the terminals of car batteries before lifting and tossing the shamed dogs into the water."
She continued, "We don't know how many suffered this premeditated murder, but the damage to the pool walls tells a story. It seems that while they were scrambling to escape, they scratched and clawed at the pool liner and bit at the dented aluminum sides like a hungry dog on a tin can.
"I wear some pretty thick skin during our work with dogs, but I can't shake my minds-eye image of a little black dog splashing frantically in bloody water ... screaming in pain and terror ... brown eyes saucer wide and tiny black white-toed feet clawing at anything, desperate to get a hold. This death did not come quickly. The rescuer in me keeps trying to think of a way to go back in time and somehow stop this torture and pull the little dog to safety. I think I'll be looking for ways to pull that dog out for the rest of my life."
Vick did all that and more to his dogs, and even threw family pets into the pit with fighters and laughed while they were mauled, according to a witness who testified to federal investigators.
TessJ10, you believe in the redemption of people like this. Fine, if you only put yourself at risk. But you have no right to put others, including dogs who have no choice in the matter, at risk. Suppose a serial killer convicted of torturing women to death gets out of jail after a few years because he’s a wealthy celebrity and strings are pulled for him. If you think he’s been redeemed and you want to cozy up to him, I have no problem with that. But if you want to set up a dating service for him, l have a problem with that. If you want to rip into the devastated families of the women he killed for being “vindictive” by not forgiving him and not encouraging him to date their remaining female family members, l have a problem with that too.
I have never understood the psychology of people who weep and moan over criminals like Vick, but have little to say when it comes to expressing sympathy for their victims. Feeling sympathy for the victims instead of the criminals is not vindictiveness. It’s basic human decency.
Nor do I understand the view that if a guy is a great athlete, nothing else matters. If Vick had raped and tortured a four-year-old girl to death, he’d still have lots of supporters telling the rest of us what vindictive haters we are and, hey, give the poor guy a break.

by raymond on 19 December 2010 - 21:12

by BabyEagle4U on 19 December 2010 - 21:12
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