Wolf hybrid - Page 6

Czech wolf dog happened in few decades.
http://www.inetdesign.com/wolfdunn/breeds/czechwd.html
 So what? I have  seen show on National geographic that wolf got domesticated into dog  as fast as in 3(!) generations. This muddles the line between wolf and dog considerably.
 Coyote , wolf, Chihuahua, GSD are same species. 
Again the anti wolf "hybrid" laws are pushed into legislation by radical animal rights groups.  
There is no danger that these animals are going to eat little red riding hood. The owners of these animals are generally better aware of idiosyncrasies of these animals then average dog owners are aware of problems with their breeds. They are generally good pet owners and such legislations are in my opinion wrong. I believe it is  an inroad to limit ownership of other breeds and eventually your breed too.
Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

 ggturner

You have stated:
My genetics book defines hybrid as "an individual produced by crossing two parents of different genotypes."

Then you say:
So, every animal or person(except for identical twins) that is the result of sexual reproduction is a hybrid.

And I agree that based on some definitions of hybrid it is so. Then tell me, if all dogs ( and other animals and plants,..) are hybrid (except in cases of identical twins), what is the distinction between wolf hybrid and GSD bred to GSD hybrid. Or better yet GSD bred to Dachshund hybrid?
 There is no difference scientifically within such definition of hybrid amongst my examples above. 
Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
 

"They are generally good pet owners and such legislations are in my opinion wrong."

As with everything else in the world, I guess your experience with them (and their owners) and mine differ.

FlashBang it is not about experience. If you worked in rescue then you had a bad experience and I as a dog trainer have met caring people. That does not matter. You can not be restrictive and punish all owners of these animals  the same way just  because some of them are bad owners.
That is not moral nor ethical .
Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com 

ANd if we are not watchful here in the UNITED STATES  we will be in the same dictatorship of what you can and cannot own by private ownership.

We have more new laws about all things we buy , we do , we pay for and what we cannot do and can do by political groups and radical pet organizations.  IF you do not follow such you would not know..and if you have never lived in a DICTATORSHIP like  HANS lived under in CZECH land... you would not know or FEEL how importtant how important it is to let everyone  handle their own dogs, their own DETERMINATION of what they spend their money on.

GOOD citizens  do not hold the guilt ot responsibiltiy of what the wrong citizens do...BUT government thinks all should follow the consiqences and pay the fines and fees just to   live here...BETTER not let freedom of choice and life be dictated by new laws and new rules.


'IF they cross the line of laws on the records or harm a person then the law can step in.

Nature eventually takes its course and either depletes a breed or an animal or a person or its tribe or nation.

YR

Maybe this will help, dogs and wolves have 78 chromosomes (or 39 pairs) so they are similar enough in their genetic makeup that they can breed and produce fertile offspring.  The different breeds of dogs or wolves is kind of like the different races in human beings.   Mules are sterile (although I have read some articles that say a few fertile mules do exist) because they are the result of horses which have 32 pairs of chromosomes crossed with donkeys which have 31 sets of chromosomes.  The chromosome number is close enough that a horse and donkey can breed, but their offspring are supposedly sterile because of the uneven pairing of chromosomes.   So calling an animal a hybrid just means that it resulted from crossing two parents with different genotypes.   It doesn't mean that the animal is necessarily sterile.

ggturner, the legal perimeters of percetage of wolf:dog ratio has been around longer than dna testing. The percentage rule was based off of pedigree not the exact genome of the animal. I agree DNA mapping or genome testing is a more accurate way.

Hans, I cant look at some GSD/mix/cross/mutts and tell you how much gsd is in them vs the amount of another dog. So I'm not sure how any law enforcement agency can look and tell. I have the same problem when shelters label dogs as being cross with pit bull terriers vs staffoshire vs american bull dog vs many other bully breeds. Seems like in the case of your friends and their hybrids some injustice took place

As far as the legalities go, A wolf hybrid is not the animal for me, but I do not think it should be regulated by the government. Yes they can be skiddish and nervy, but there are lots of domesticated dogs that have those same undesirable traits. I do not believe many of these hybrids that are circulating amongst pet owners are coming from wild captive stock. Just as there are several places that sell captive bred boas, pythons, iguannas, birds, and other wild species I'm pretty sure there are places doing the same with wolves.  Wolf hybrids incidents causing harm to humans are not that common. I don't believe they pose any more of a threat than any other ilresponsible breed owner

I have had experience with two different wolf cross animals in my lifetime.  One was a housepet, a fat old fellow that loved everyone and everything, and was harmless.  This particular animal was around fifty percent wolf, maybe a bit more.  Sweet animal.

The second was a female that came to hang around our home for a couple of weeks before leaving.  She'd been dumped by her owner, fleeing a warrant for his arrest.  She could jump like nobody's business, had no qualms with killing other animals for food, and was more agile than any creature that size ought to be.  Her breed was listed as "Malamute" on her dog license, but with those yellow eyes, that tall, gangly build, and incredible grace and agility, if she had any malamute in her, it was damned little.  She wouldn't allow anyone to approach her unless she got to know them, she attacked any dog that had floppy ears, and pretty much ignored whatever you might try to get her to do.  We tried to take her in, and find someone to take her, once we finally were able to get a leash on her collar, but it wasn't possible to contain her, and after a couple of weeks, she moved on and disappeared.

I don't know that I'd call her nervy, but she was very aloof, and very...odd.  Not my cup of tea, because I prefer an animal that is...warmer...toward the people it lives with, but for some, they might be the ideal dog.  I wish I knew what became of her...She had a lot of the wild in her.

Give me a GSD any day.  I won't say people shouldn't be allowed to own wolf dogs, but if you're going to, you have to have the right setup for them and the right temperament for them.

Crys

CrysBuck25

That was a very nice post. You have  good heart.
Hans

Thank you, Hans...

I would say the same of you.

Take care,

Crys