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by katjo74 on 14 March 2009 - 03:03
Well, then the mystery is over. There's your answer for all this.
How do we have multiple unrelated litters/GSDs being produced with the SAME "novel" mutation?
The spontaneous thing is used to assure people the breeding is "pure", not a mixed breeding.
I doubt those geneticists have seen/analyzed DNA from similar GSDs who display the same characteristics unrelated to Frankie. Most of the panda breeding I've seen have been has not been out of imported or titled dogs.
by katjo74 on 14 March 2009 - 03:03
by katjo74 on 14 March 2009 - 03:03
And yes, quite a nice monopoly until other people caught on and decided to use it, also. After all, their backyard dogs were popping out these interesting little border collie mixed breed looking GSD pups, too, but they sure didn't think a BC had gotten into things.
Money and fame, my friend Uber. Money and fame.
by katjo74 on 14 March 2009 - 04:03
Panda pups have been produced from the following:
blk/tan import titled/hip certified sire x solid black OFAed mother (Frankie)
blue patterned sire x long coat blk/reddish tan mother (litter I saw the pics of years ago)
Panda litter currently on Hoobly has a BC marked blk/tan mom, traditional blk/red father.
Frankie might be the BEST bred of the pups documented from such strange occurrance, but she's not the only, nor is she the first.
by Uber Land on 14 March 2009 - 04:03
I ve seen panda's out of a
white male bred to a rich blk/red female(mostly import lines)
years ago I had an american showline female, her grandsire was lovenly nicknamed Skunk. he had a large white stripe from his nose to his forehead, big white chest and white toes. he was out of a very prominent Ch.
and I know of breeders breeding these "panda" dogs, who are unrelated to Frankie. where did their coloration come from?
by Uber Land on 14 March 2009 - 04:03
by Sunsilver on 14 March 2009 - 04:03
Uberland, look at what I said about the genes crossing over and exchanging bits and pieces. Certain mutations are more common than others. For example, in humans, the mutation that produces Down's Syndrome is the result of an extra 21st chromosome. It could be that the mutation which creates the panda colouration is a fairly common mutation, as mutations go. The gene for the color is there, but is inactive, due to the effect of another gene. All that has to happen is for that inhibiting gene to break off, or get transferred to another chromosome, and the panda gene will be expressed.
by Sunsilver on 14 March 2009 - 04:03
"GSDs with big white spotch markings on them is not a rare thing." (katjo74)
That statement made me remember an american line GSD website, which has a picture of one of it's champions, blanket back dog with an almost completely white colored chest. As I recall, it's a pretty big name, but darnitall, I can not remember who it is.
I think it was most likely Proven Hill's Banker of Altana, the 1990 American Grand Victor:
by katjo74 on 14 March 2009 - 05:03
But all humans come from ONE source-Adam and Eve, too.
We ARE all related, BIG picture wise.
by Sunsilver on 14 March 2009 - 05:03
Also, the DNA of humans and chimps is 98% identical.
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