Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 4

When I heard the term "limited registration" for the first time I really thought "What the .... ? ", because we are not used to it.
Thinking about AKC made me change my mind.

VonWaldhimmel - in case of saying " show prospects are more expensive" you shoulld have said "puppies with faults are less expensive". The result is the same, but for the reader it sounds better.

Beeker318 writes:

"As someone has already mentioned, shelters and rescue organizations are full of inferior dogs, resulting from uninformed/unscrupulous breeding. While it isn't the only reason, a primary reason for this is because the owners got an unbalanced dog and couldn't handle it, so they dump it. I would fully support any action to reduce this problem."

I disagree. I think that most dogs, the vast majority, in fact, are balanced at birth and become unbalanced due to how they were raised. No doubt, various breeds have many dogs in it that lack the qualities the breed should possess, but that does not make the dogs unbalanced, it just makes them not suitable for whatever job that breed is known for and good at.
These days, especially with 99% of dogs being in the pet population, they become unbalanced because they do not get effective obedience training, and/or they do not get proper socialization, and/or they get left home alone 8-10 hours/day, sometimes in a crate that whole time, and the dogs are with people that have no sense all-around of what a dog needs, and are too busy anthropomorphising the animal to ever truly see it. If more breeders would screen potential homes, there would be much less of that. But so many breeders just take the money and hand over the puppy. Those type of breeders add to the whole problem, IMO, and have no business raising dogs. It is part of a breeders job to make sure, as much as they can, that a puppy goes to a home where the new owner will meet the puppy's/dog's needs so that the dog turns into a well-adjusted, balanced, and happy adult. More breeders need to screen potential buyers. More than a few dog owners have no business owning a dog.

Oh, I agree that it should be the breeders job to attempt to place the dogs well. The problem is that, at least in my area, most of the breeders do not really deserve to be called that. They simply produce animals they call german shepherd dogs. But, as I mentioned, they have no documentation and are fueled by demand. I would respectfully disagree with you in saying that a dog that does not display the qualities of the breed is not unbalanced. To me, not having the breed characterics, especially as it relates to drive and termperment, is the very definition of an unbalanced dog.

Limited registration is bogus. Unless the pup or dog has a physical fault, not for breeding. I have yet to import a pup or dog to the USA on limited registration. Different pricing for males, female and colors is completely bogus as well. This is such a USA thing. In my opinion it has more to do with economics and control than breed quality and population control. Sell the dog unencumbered. Enough of the self righteous crap.

Totally disagree with two posts above.

#1. I choose to say Show Puppies are more vs Pet Puppies are less. Nothing wrong with that. Someone who says "I'll pay less for pet but not more for show" has the obvious confusion

#2. All GSDs are not born the same. I've helped with rescue and temperament testing for others and all the socialization and/or training in the world will only do so much for some "breedings"

#3. **Limited AKC done the right way is not an economical advantage to a breeder. ** 75% will not want a contract requiring titles or show puppies leaving with limited.

Limited AKC is designed to help reputable breeders prevent their dogs from being bred. It isn't fail proof but a huge advantage. Imported dogs can't be registered with AKC period if they are imported with Limited.. That is why you don't see foreign reg with limited

If you don't like the restrictions avoid that breeder... Making it easier for that breeder to avoid you.
 

"Limited AKC is designed to help reputable breeders prevent their dogs from being bred. It isn't fail proof but a huge advantage. Imported dogs can't be registered with AKC period if they are imported with Limited.. That is why you don't see foreign reg with limited"

Is there any country selling puppies on "limited registration" besides the USA ? I really don´t know.

{sigh} I guess I am guilty of committing a topic redirection. The point I was trying to make is that, in my area, many owners of German Shepherd Dogs I meet and talk to claim that their dogs have NO registration. They bought the dog because they wanted a German Shepherd and didn't think buying one with "papers" mattered and they didn't want to pay the price for a registered dog. The demand for dogs has created an unfortunate market. My observation of these dogs is that they don't look or act like I would expect, based on the breed standard.

Yes .... But they can't be sold to US owner who wants to AKC register them.

Foreign Reg dept of AKC accepts only Full Reg.... No Limited now - lift later available as with AKC reg litters

Only dogs with unrestricted papers can apply for AKC reg thru foreign reg dept of AKC

So which countries besides the USA do offer "limited registration" ? I still don´t know.

#1. I choose to say Show Puppies are more vs Pet Puppies are less. Nothing wrong with that. Someone who says "I'll pay less for pet but not more for show" has the obvious confusion

#2. All GSDs are not born the same. I've helped with rescue and temperament testing for others and all the socialization and/or training in the world will only do so much for some "breedings"


#1 is interesting. Are you referring to show dogs or working dogs? I don't believe anyone is confused. It is based on economics. You don't want to sell a dog for less than what you think the market will pay. You also want to control what the buyer does with the dog. Some don't consider a police dog or SAR dog as having been titled.

Pups period are a crap shoot. So now the dog has HD. Do you replace the pup out of the next litter or wait for a litter of your choosing? It's all about control no matter how you spin it. Sell the pups at one price. Give full registration. You can screen buyers anyway you want.

Ok I'm bored with this, no one is changing their mind or how they do business. And I will continue to import dogs with full registrations. I would prefer to spend my money in the USA but I am not going to jump through hoops to satisfy someones ego.