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Two Moons

by Two Moons on 03 May 2010 - 17:05

You might want to go back and see the numbers from the Exxon spill as far as what got saved and what died.
And what shape the area is in today.


by beetree on 03 May 2010 - 18:05

It will never be the same. I can't believe this event isn't making the front page of the newspapers. You have to go to page three  In the  "NATION AND WORLD" Section.  Something stinks real big and it is not just the smell of crude wafting in on the murky waves.

And BP wants to share the blame now so they can share the expense, guess that is what it is all about being "responsible spillers", now. There never was a plan for a worse case scenario, everything happening now is purely by the seat of their collective pants. Damn negligent and they can't afford to pay or fix the frigging mouth of the Mississippi, no matter what comes out of their mouths. They are trying to get people to sign waivers to sue for 5k.  Oh, yeah that should about cover it, one just loves waking up to the smell of petroleum in the morning. Property values will be trashed, too, don't open the windows.

Can anyone imagine in 40 years, (when all the decision makers are dead and buried), and all these mechanical parts start to malfunction, because someone decided it was "inconceivable" so nothing was done to prepare for the worse and impossible.  What about two oil rigs blowing at the same time? How many of these will it take to destroy the vitality of the oceans? Seemed farfetched a month ago. It can/will happen if we accept the way we let these Energy companies do business, like they are now. 


RatPackKing

by RatPackKing on 06 May 2010 - 01:05



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html

The media loved painting Bush as being for "Big Oil." But it looks like Bush isn't the only President that is all about "Big Oil." And by "Big Oil," I mean "Big Money."

Politico reports that Obama has been the biggest recipient of British Petroleum donations over the past 20 years. What did BP get for it's cash? The WaPo reports that they got a waiver on a required environmental analysis for the VERY RIG that blew.

Change you can't believe in, folks.

RPK

by hodie on 06 May 2010 - 03:05

You better read and listen more carefully. And looking in detail at the article you quote, it says nothing of the kind. Further, looking at the facts by an independent watchdog group, the Republicans have traditionally and heavily supported the oil and gas industry.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01


As far as the waiver, it has been common in many administrations to issue such waivers. Personally, I think hindsight is great and if it were up to me, I would not skip these steps before considering waivers. None the less, it was not done at the behest of Obama and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous, at the least.

Further, John McCain received more than the President during the 2008 campaign. The overwhelming number of these donations for Senator Obama came from individuals. None the less, Senator McCain received substantially more from the oil and gas associated donors than did then Senator Obama.
1 McCain, John (R) $2,403,437
2 Obama, Barack (D) $898,251

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=E01&cycle=2008&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U



RatPackKing

by RatPackKing on 06 May 2010 - 04:05

Scrolling through the years, Obama did well.........very well..................just sayin

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000091&cycle=2008

Good night hodie

RPK

by SitasMom on 06 May 2010 - 12:05

http://www.taipanpublishinggroup.com/news-0504104.html

How bad is the BP oil spill?

By now, we've all heard the worst-case scenarios - over 1,000 miles of Louisiana coastline at risk, the Florida Keys in the path of the Gulf's loop current, even the Atlantic Coast at risk.

However, for the worst to occur, several factors need to band together. At the moment, they aren't.

BP is fighting the oil spill hard, and it's having decent effect.

The oil spill - which contains a lighter crude oil than the Exxon Valdez catastrophe - is proving very responsive to dispersants, which break up oil slicks and cause the crude oil to sink to the seafloor.

Containment efforts appear to be having an effect as well, with one of the leaking wells being potentially capped this week, with the other two to follow shortly.

And, while the loop current may spread the crude oil further afield, at the moment, winds are pushing in the reverse direction, helping to contain the crude oil to a smaller patch of water. For now.

"The sky is not falling," Quenton R. Dokken, a marine biologist and executive director of the conservation group The Gulf of Mexico Foundation, told The New York Times. "We've certainly stepped in a hole and we're going to have to work ourselves out of it, but it isn't the end of the Gulf of Mexico."

Edward Overton, professor emeritus of environmental studies at Louisiana State University and an expert on oil spills, adds, "People have the idea of an Exxon Valdez, with a gunky, smelly black tide looming over the horizon waiting to wash ashore. I do not anticipate this will happen down here unless things get a lot worse."

On an economic scale, the BP oil spill may not be as bad as people assume either. Louisiana produces about 1% of the seafood consumed by Americans; 83% comes from overseas.

by SitasMom on 06 May 2010 - 12:05

And the amount of oil being spilled - about 200,000 gallons a day - is huge on a local scale, it isn't enough to really affect crude oil production in any large-scale way. The biggest moves in crude oil prices are likely to be psychological - and we may have already seen them, with gasoline prices rising 5 cents last week.

Even that is likely, at least partially, the byproduct of the usual increase in gasoline prices as we approach summer.

There is no doubt the BP oil spill is a disaster, and will greatly affect those who make their living in the Gulf waters, or from offshore drilling for crude oil. Wildlife is in great danger, but, as Dr. Dokken observed, "The Gulf is tremendously resilient." How many disasters it can weather, we don't know - but it's likely to weather this one.






How many people on this board that are pointing fingers are living Petroleum free right now?

trace755

by trace755 on 06 May 2010 - 12:05

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

The Gulf Coast Foundation is a shill for the oil industry.

 

 

by beetree on 06 May 2010 - 13:05

Sitasmom, thanks for the laugh!  Now what "scale" would not be acceptable to you, I wonder? I like the use of the word "likely", too. OH Good Grief.

Here is some Alaskan spill reality to consider for a comparison:
www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/us/06alaska.html


"The tanker Valdez spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil, staining 1,500 miles of coastline, killing hundreds of thousands of seabirds, otters, seals and whales, and devastating local communities. The spill stopped after just a few days. Recovery may not have an end date."

trace755

by trace755 on 06 May 2010 - 13:05

 Sitasmom, do a google search. Stop relying on right wing nut jobs and industry shills. How large is the Shrimping Industry in LA,MS,AL and FL? How many people have jobs related to Shrimping,Crabbing, Commercial fishing and oysters? Do you have a clue? How large is the sport fishing for those states? How large are the Oyster and Crab Industries? How many jobs are dependent on these industries. If this spill reaches the beaches in MS.AL and Florida how will that impact the tourist industry? This oil spill will add up to 100's of billions in lost revenue for this region. How many people will lose their jobs,businesses and homes? Not to mention the wildlife. How many birds,turtles,dolphins,fish,shrimp,crabs and oyster beds will this spill kill? How will long will this spill effect these species? Will they recover? if, so when.

If, anyone thinks bp will pay for all the economic damages or to fully clean up this spill back to pre-explosion levels you are smoking something. BP will force Trans-ocean to fall on the sword. TO will file for Bankruptcy. Then BP will do what Exxon did keep everything in court for twenty years. Meanwhile they will buy politicians to reverse anything the Congress enacts now. 





 


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