are they for real?? - Page 4

yep, majority of people see a pup like that and they ask how bad its HD is,  or they ask whats wrong with it.

I agree,  everyone is entitled to their own opinion and what "type" they like.  thats fine.

but the only question I have is, what purpose does that "type" have as a utility or working breed?   as far as I can tell all it is good for is to take a pretty picture.  I would not expect that puppy to be as agile as another one of the same age but with less rear angulation.  I know,  the one I kept could never keep up with the other puppies.  she would tire easily,  and her rear movement was like watching an egg beater.  her hocks would hit each other,  they would get tangled up and trip her,  when she would poop,  it would get on her hocks ect.

not all showlines are like this,  but more and more are being bred in this direction. 

JMO, this is the type gsd are meant to have. level topline,all 4 feet are under the body.  this puppy looks strong, and natural. 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/83743.html

We all agree these dogs are judged under the same SV standard set up for this breed, right?

then how to you go from this: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/84835.html

and end up with the pup pictured?  its the same standard isn't it?  why do they look like different breeds? 

Uberland,
I'm not going to "debate" what you prefer over & what you do not......(that is your right as a GSD enthusiast)....and it doesn't bother me in the least........but this puppy's pedigree only has dogs that have completed ScH titles and Korrungs......therefore;....no matter what the "rears" look like at this young age....they grew up to accomplish just what their breeders wanted... and then some.......
I'm sure the breeders/owners or exhibitors of these dogs, are perfectly happy & secure with their breeding programs.

These dogs are not  BSP dogs...they are BSZS dogs......but  BOTH "styles" need to have "accomplished ScH & Korrungs" to participate in either......both just have different  "venues".
The BSZS dogs obviously, somehow, someway....made it over the jumps, AD & fieldwork at least (1) to (3) times .
The simplest point that I was making.. is..........I have seen/done, "pronounced angled puppies" stacked so poorly,...that they look "exagerated" like the puppy in the picture.....and the puppy grew up to be a very nice dog........I can see past a "stack" picture...thats all.

Everyone is entitled to their preference.....it is what it is.
Robin

I don't want to debate anyone.  I just don't understand how you can get the two factions that are completely different but are supposedly judged under the same standard.  If the breeders are breeding to the standard,  wouldn't the majority of the dogs in germany have the same type? 

How do you go from having a natural looking dog such as Dingo that is video'd gaiting to the pup in question?  the standard hasn't drastically been changed since the time of Dingo.

But it has changed.......it's evolved, devolved..what ever people choose to believe.
The SV Judges have brought on the change, whether it is a "good" change or not.
One side of the "spectrum" went one way, the other..another way.  BOTH sides have lost their way.
The Conformation judges went "large, angled, richly colored & angulated".....putting hardness aside.
The Working judges went " smaller, finer, longer & less angled".....putting "the changing standard" aside.
Both are to blame for what we have today.

NOTHING stays the same in 30years....if it doesn't evolve someway,.....it becomes totally obsolete.
AND change is happening.......size, structure and more emphasis on the working abilities......but it will take both "sides" to conform.

As for the American lines.......I've seen some change there also.

You should have the dogs that you "prefer", because you love them that way,...they are what you need them to be.......as mine are to me.
JMO

Best wishes.

"BOTH sides have lost their way."

Couldn't agree more!