Does anyone no how INGODDS ALBERTS bitework? - Page 4

I am puzzled every time excuses are made for a dogs poor or failed bitework. If a dog cannot bite or cannot bite adequately, then how is breeding the crap out of it helping the breed? Do the people breeding their females to dogs like this know and accept it, and just look the other way, all in hopes of making a quick $$? Just because the male has a nice head, or rich red pigment, or a nice plush coat? The GSD breed is going down the crapper, and it seems that the large kennels and their followers are just pushing the demise all that much faster.

He didn't bite shit happens it is not like he is a dog....ups he actually is.....sucks for him lol

The dog is a TURD in the bite work, end of story. Quit making excuses for this dog. This dog should not be breed unless you care nothing about working ability.

The question is how is INGODDS ALBERTS bitework? The answer is, he is horrible.  Maybe the dog is a wonderful house dog but the dog is a Turd in the bite work. I do not care if the dog has a Boo Boo, or has a shit handler/ trainer, or he does not take it seriously because there is a sleve. The results show the dog sucks in the bite work.

Look, if folks don't like the dog, don't use him, don't buy any of his progeny.  The owner should not expose this dog to ridicule by showing him with this problem undiagnosed and unresolved. Over time we shall see how his progeny do in bitework.  As a young dog Albert did good bitework and then less so as he became older.  I always wonder about what has been done with a dog that changes like this.  Does he have health issues and what is his environment.  Many health issues can affect willingness to do bitework, such as his living environment, diet, etc.  Many low grade disorders such as mild hypothyroidism (very common in imports), chronic dental infections, types of arthritis, back injuries, parasites of various, erlichthiosis, cns conditions, subclinical heart disorders to mention a few can cause this problem in a dog that did okay before.

If I had needed a GSD at the time, I would have have bought Albert as a young dog in a second.  It's is easy to trash a dog when you don't know the full story.  He was absolutely georgeous and near perfect to the standard when in proper condition. Do folks seriously think every top BSP winner produces correct working temperament in every progeny when bred?  I know for a fact that many have produced their fair share of spooks, weirdos, overly aggressive dogs and dogs with other faults and serious health issues which are hereditary such as subclinical EPI, subclinical hypothyroidism, bad joints, myopathy of the spine, epilepsies, subclinical aortic arch stenosis, mega-esophagus, and the list goes on. 

If you want very top show looks and corect working temperam,ent, try Karats Ulk or a dog like him.  If you want correct working temperament and don't care about the standard and can live with a fairly ugly GSD then use only top non show rated BSP winners as sires (many do and are happy with the long progeny).  If you want a V rated in zuchtschau GSD with BSP style temperament, it is going to cost you a great deal of money to get there and unless you can fork over 25-40K, or a few generations of top breedings.  And then you better be careful who you sell these puppies to, matching actual temperaments to specific home or working environments. In some states now the breeder is can be held partly liable for the temperament, so be careful about your marketing claims.  Photos of your dogs taking the sleeve on a web site can create a liability in some states.  Would I breed my bitch to Albert?  No, as I suggested.  Would I ever buy one of his progeny? If the dog was a year or older, vetted out with normal bloodwork and super clean joints, had good temperament, and had the appearance I lked, the answer is yes.  I am not making excuses for Albert's poor bitework the last couple of years.  If he were my dog, I wouldn't have take him out to show him without knowing what he would do in the bitework for sure. And I would have found out why.   But I also understand the liability of owning an alpha GSD that eats the sleeve everytime with no practice (I have had 2).  Even those that are usually calm must be carefully handled by the owner and can be a pain at times. 

No one is making excuses for his performance and I am not a follower of his kennel. Only telling it like it is because I happen to know the dog.

You wrote how his results speak for themselves. I guess that the 287 he received on his Sch3 when he was actively being trained pretty much speaks for itself.

Have any of you ever attained this in a Sch trial. Oh wait, I forgot you probably don't even know how to train a dog.

What I find so amusing is this, and I have posted it here many times.

How many of you critics, or as I would call you complainers and whiners actually train your dogs? There are so many experts on here that talk crap about everybody else's dog. How many of you have trained and titled a dog? Air? Snajper?? VonKohlenberg??? Do any of you train your dog once a day, once a week, once a month, twice a year????

Its always good to hear what the shit talkers are doing with their dogs so let's hear it!

OGBS, I am a hobby breeder.  Have had one litter 2 years ago.  I train my dogs 2 times a week minimum and when I can 3 times a week on the field.  I am the only showline person at the club that regularly trains and is willing to allow my dogs be sized up against workingline dogs.  I think my dog however might be to blame for Albert's "I" at 2007 NASS as he came behind mine and was very dog aggressive at the field for protection.  All his energy went into my dog, so I think he had nothing left for the helper.

I was impressed by him though. . .

How many of the folks bitching about Albert's recent insufficients in bitework will ever be able to acquire a GSD that is as close to the standard as he is, obtained the high Sch scores he has in the past and produces such near perfect beautiful progeny?  Just try and buy and import a young dog as nice as Albert was with his ratings and young dog titles.  You will have to pay a small fortune.   Don't believe me, then try it.  It is easy to criticize, but hard to surpass or even match.

I remember the dog had good bitework when he was younger.  I have no idea who is training him now or if he has become a couch potato or not.  I know for sure that if he was my dog he would become a couch potato very quickly because he would be in the house 24/7 and spoiled rotten by my wife and would be sleeping on the end of our bed at night. 

We shall see how his progeny turn out in the bitework, and there will be a fair number competing in the future based on what was just shown in Lexington, KY. I didn't notice any spooks or skittishness in his oprogeny group, but we shall see.  Don't be surprised if quite a few turn out to do good bitework.

Preston you jokeing right? Did you watched that video? And him working lol are you surre that's a GSD? I would be ashame to own dog like that. I seen buterflies with more fight than that dog lol. Please stop the dog is a joke good looking dog but a joke, should never been allowed to be bread. Good family protector? If your family will ever get attack by a kindergarden I am surre you would be fine but as much as anything else I owuld not count on that dog.

Snaiper, no joke.  I don't think you have a clue about what is really going on with the dog. But I'll explain whjat I think it is.  My best guess is that the dog has a case of low grade chronic prostatitis.  Very common in middle to older aged stud dogs who have been bred a lot and are super masculine.  Very difficult to diagnose.  Best treatment is ciproflaxacin 250 twioce a day for a month or two until the dog's behavior improves.  Symptoms are sluggishness, irritability, lack of drive, unwillingness to work as with any chronic low grade infection. I have seen the same symptoms in dogs with tooth infections due to cracks in the tooth or root abcesses.  I had a dog once with low grade prostatitis that had the same symptoms and he had been perfect temperament before he developed the prostatitis, and was completely back to normal after treatment.  Bottom line is that any GSD who is V rated, Sch3 and a prior history of top Sch scores and excellent bitework that goes insufficient, there is usually a health reason.  This is what I think is really going on.  It takes a very experienced vet to deal with these subtle disorders that can develop silently and only show obliquely.  By the way, odds are very high you will never be able to acquire or have any GSD that will ever approach the conformation beauty and quality of Albert.  You sound like sour grapes to me.  I'll bet you own a long string bean dilute.

Preston I think I stated many times clearly that I care only about the work ethics of the dog, it can be even a cross, I don't care how well the dog looks if he can't  work he is shit in my eyes, I did like one dog in that show, but don't feel like going back and search which one is it, it was int the clip 12-19 with SG1 rating nice dog wanted to fight a bit. IF the dog wa ssick it should not be shown, and than maybe other people wold not have to make excuse for the crappy performance of the dog. The bottom line is the dog didn't show anything worth watching. Let me state again GSD is a working dog, and Albert didn't show much. Sorry.