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by Hired Dog on 02 August 2013 - 14:08
Bebo, I agree with you. A dog is not meant to stop an assailant...in most instances anyway, a bullet in his central nervous is. The dog is there to buy time. Still, I would rather depend on a dog that has shown me it has what it takes to get the job done rather then a dog that has not.
by bebo on 02 August 2013 - 15:08
@hired: totally agree. just wanted to give the most plausible and imo rational reason why some people, like myself, have limited expectations for their dogs to provide complete protection services. and the training argument holds just as much for weapon use and handling. you got to hit the range every now and then, otherwise you're better off taking the time advantage your dog provided and run. imo, any (prospective) ppd owner needs to have a very clear understanding of a range of possible threat scenarios, and hjs/her willingness and ability to step up to, or away from, the plate for each one of those cases. to quote the surgeon general: piling unrealistic expectations on a (pp) dog may be rather harmful to the dog's and owner's health.
by samael28 on 02 August 2013 - 15:08
bebo you crack me up. made me feel like you were talking about my home. lol
the only two out of the safe are smith&wesson 10mm and remington youth 870 20gauge.
the only two out of the safe are smith&wesson 10mm and remington youth 870 20gauge.
by kitkat3478 on 02 August 2013 - 17:08
Hired Dog- I would not trust a dog with no training, BUT at the same time, that training, and or dog, should not have to be costing thousands of dollars.
Out of 10 dogs, Four I know would bite, seriously.
My Bullinger boy, I would walk blindfolded through Harlem at 2 in the morning with and not have a bit of doubt, NO ONES hands, could be put on me (now of course I am not saying I could not be shot, but anything involving hand to hand combat, will not happen).
Of course there is training that must be done.
My dogs all start at an early age, knowing and be encouraged as to what is expected of them.
And yes, that does involve the games I play that I have previously been laughed at about, which include disguise and a whole lot of running around, knocking, screaming, and of course laughing.
If your dog lives with you, and feels like he is indeed a member of the "pack", and certain behaviors are instilled and taught, your dog will at least try to protect you.
Out of 10 dogs, Four I know would bite, seriously.
My Bullinger boy, I would walk blindfolded through Harlem at 2 in the morning with and not have a bit of doubt, NO ONES hands, could be put on me (now of course I am not saying I could not be shot, but anything involving hand to hand combat, will not happen).
Of course there is training that must be done.
My dogs all start at an early age, knowing and be encouraged as to what is expected of them.
And yes, that does involve the games I play that I have previously been laughed at about, which include disguise and a whole lot of running around, knocking, screaming, and of course laughing.
If your dog lives with you, and feels like he is indeed a member of the "pack", and certain behaviors are instilled and taught, your dog will at least try to protect you.
by Paul Garrison on 02 August 2013 - 20:08
The problem with buying a PP dog is there are few that can honestly describe their dog. Then you have a definition problem, what is hard, what is aggressive, what is natural aggression, what is sharp ect. ect. What is hard to one, would be a pussy to another. There will be many that say I know exactly what you want but most if not all will not have a clue. I have been looking for well over a year, have driven thousands and thousands of miles and not even close. My advice is find out what you want in a dog first and then start your search. The closer to a sport dog the easier to find.
by Pirates Lair on 03 August 2013 - 00:08
flashy1
The reality is, you are the only person that knows what you really want, and are capable (honestly) of handling.
It takes great skill to handle a hard, dominant civil dog, and once you actually see one in action you probably would not want it, or the liability associated.
When the time comes to purchase a PPD do your research like Paul did. Spend the time to actually visit the breeder/seller and
have them demonstrate the dog for you.
Research on forums and watching web site videos is just a start, visit the seller/trainer in person.
Kim
The reality is, you are the only person that knows what you really want, and are capable (honestly) of handling.
It takes great skill to handle a hard, dominant civil dog, and once you actually see one in action you probably would not want it, or the liability associated.
When the time comes to purchase a PPD do your research like Paul did. Spend the time to actually visit the breeder/seller and
have them demonstrate the dog for you.
Research on forums and watching web site videos is just a start, visit the seller/trainer in person.
Kim
by vk4gsd on 03 August 2013 - 00:08
i see PPD dogs advertised in the states in excess of $75k, better than a home surveillance system and a gat for coupla $thou?
by Pirates Lair on 03 August 2013 - 01:08
i see PPD dogs advertised in the states in excess of $75k, better than a home surveillance system and a gat for coupla $thou?
Care to explain, I don't get it?
Kim
Care to explain, I don't get it?
Kim
by vk4gsd on 03 August 2013 - 01:08
Kim, for $2000 i can get a professionally installed home surveillance system with 6 cameras and a website hosting to monitor my property 24/7, for and additional fee i can have someone sitting there watching the cameras and either calling me of a breach/invasion,or call the cops for me or just send their own private security guards (with their own public liability) to sort it out.
the
gat hardly needs explaining.
just saying value for money to me, not sure if a $75k US for a dog is good value imo. of course you can't take a camera system grocery shopping, but hey i can just shop in a safe neighborhood and not need a dog stinking up my vehicle.
we all love dogs for sure but i would rather put $75k into my home mortgage then buy a dog with it, plus i can get a pound mutt that likes to bark at strangers for free, won't die for me, but at least it will let me know what's coming.
each to his own tho.
the
gat hardly needs explaining.
just saying value for money to me, not sure if a $75k US for a dog is good value imo. of course you can't take a camera system grocery shopping, but hey i can just shop in a safe neighborhood and not need a dog stinking up my vehicle.
we all love dogs for sure but i would rather put $75k into my home mortgage then buy a dog with it, plus i can get a pound mutt that likes to bark at strangers for free, won't die for me, but at least it will let me know what's coming.
each to his own tho.
by Pirates Lair on 03 August 2013 - 02:08
Thank you for clarifying that Vk
Kim
Kim
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