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by Red Sable on 26 August 2011 - 20:08
Speaking of honest, I wish more people would allow others to state their opinions without taking it so personally. It is the GSD we are talking about, and it deserves to be discussed honestly, without fear of reprisal from someone that considers their dog birthed from their own body. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, being politically correct in our speach does NOT help the breed.
by Abby Normal on 26 August 2011 - 21:08
I have heard it called a 'hinge back' and tend to think of it so myself. It's a lot more serious than a very steep croup, unless the croup now begins halfway down the back. Unfortunately you see it often in WGSL. Sometimes it is not as evident as this in a stack, but frequently it is seen in dogs when gaiting. It is so far from correct or healthy as the earth is from the sun IMO.
I agree with Red Sable, being politically correct in stifling honest opinions does no one any favours in the long term, least of all the breed.
by Jenni78 on 26 August 2011 - 21:08
by Sunsilver on 26 August 2011 - 21:08
Red Sable, I totally agree. Silly fads will be the death of this breed, and they have caused many other dog breeds to fall out of favour with the public due the severe medical problems created by these fads. I know many of you didn't like the documentary "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" but I think that film was very necessary. The dog fancy needs to take responsibility for what they are doing to their favourite breeds!
In my dream world, the breed clubs would refuse to adopt any 'fads' in conformation that reduced the dog's ability to perform the work for which it was originally bred.
by Abby Normal on 26 August 2011 - 21:08
Yes, I remember some of the horrors from your ugly dog file, and they filled me with pity. Some are positively train wrecks, and those poor dogs will have to live out their lives in those bodies.
I do know what you mean Jenni78, but I like to think that the comments are more directed at the person who bred a particular dog rather than the dog itself. Maybe the title should be different, along the lines of 'who breeds a dog like this? Target the perpetrator and not the poor animal who had no choice over the body he was given.
by vonissk on 26 August 2011 - 21:08
by Niesia on 26 August 2011 - 22:08
Great post - I agree. The problem is that the judges are usually breeders too... And that happens in both SV and AKC ring. Everybody knows that some judges prefer different type, so it is so important to place your dog in shows under judges that like your dog's type to get points. That's how the changes in the breed are introduced in the first place. If there would be a prominent judge that has a big kennel - he/she will want to promote what he/she produces. We have a tendency to ban and critique small/hobby breeders for not keeping up with the "standard" but aren't the big breeders heavily involved in shows are more responsible for change in the standard? They produce a lot of dogs that by default become a new standard... The more dogs have specific 'traits' the bigger the pressure to "update the standard"...
And again it comes down to "the preference and the interpretation of the standard" - the reason why the GSDs vary so greately in the first place. If GSD standard was created using a picture and not a description, we wouldn't have an issue now. GSD standard description is so illusive and so free for the interpretation.... It's more about the dog's character and usefulness than looks, therefore shouldn't the look always be the last to be judged?
by wlpool on 27 August 2011 - 01:08
GSDGuy08,
Is the ad still there? This dog is either in Mexico or Texas. It was bred in Mexico though, but Euro showlines. I suspect that things may be done a little differently down there. I spoke with a person who claimed to own her a while back. I was wondering if she was going to sell or keep the dog. They were not very well informed about the breed. Perhaps they will learn. I did speak with the woman for a very long time tying to give her advice without being too harsh. Perhaps, the conversation stuck although I would have hoped she kept the dog and a pet because I don't think she would be easy to sell to a good home. I suspect she can sell it for someone's backyard breeding program which helps nobody, but it is south Texas and everyone is willing to make a buck off of an animal around here.
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by vonissk on 27 August 2011 - 01:08
I guess that's what makes me angry at the shows, when I see the judge put up a pos dog I know that is going to encourage the person to breed that dog even more when it should be taken out of the gene pool. I don't care where it came from or how much it cost or what lines it is, if it's not breeding quality, it's just not and nothing you can do can make it so....................
by starrchar on 27 August 2011 - 03:08
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