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by Bob McKown on 30 July 2009 - 13:07

Bazza:

If your talking about the over angulated heavy headed roach backed no drive current show line dogs yes it has evolved not for the better. again we are taking about a breed that is supposed to work are we not? so it should have a working structre? why is this so hard to understand it,s all the same dog.

by bazza on 30 July 2009 - 17:07

BOBBY BOY....... never took you to be one with tunnel vision, yes, there are some dogs as you describe but few. If you would take the time to REALLY look you might learn someting new. As to working ability this also has been discussed to death, but once more for the blind tunnel visioned people, there is more than one way to work a dog. Maybe that is why i am where i am today, as i try to keep with the times and breed /own correct VERSATILE to the standard GSD's. This might be hard for some but try to look beyond sable, incorrect conformation, biting the sleeve hard, no substance dogs and you just might get what i have, the ideal gsd. Why is THIS so hard to understand. No wonder some of the best breeders just do not bother coming here, i think it is time for me to join my equals and sign off too. Good luck guys, you will need it,

by bazza on 30 July 2009 - 17:07

Forgot to say KCaja, great post, you are one who will go far in our beloved breed, good luck

by Uber Land on 30 July 2009 - 18:07

you call that progress?

I opened my eyes years ago, and I didn't like what I saw. more and more SL are looking like this.

by Red Sable on 30 July 2009 - 21:07

Bazza, I don't know you or your dogs, care to share some pictures? I'd like to see your ideal GSD.

You talk like you have it all in the bag. You said you keep with the times, does that mean you change the standard to suit the newest whim? I also tried to stack my dog like some of these overangulated hock walkers, and it couldn't be done.

Bazza, who are you to tell who will go far? I'm afraid the buying public will determine which breeders they want to support, and I'm happy to see more and more are getting their eyes opened.

"No wonder some of the best breeders just do not bother coming here, i think it is time for me to join my equals and sign off too. Good luck guys, you will need it,"

Strictly a matter of opinion, and as you know we all have one, which may not coincide with yours.

by harley on 30 July 2009 - 21:07

KCzaja are you really serious???

"Judging a dog, a pup in particular, on one photo, is ridiculous and flaunts ones lack of knowledge and experience. Have any of you ever stacked a puppy at all? "
yes i have tried to stack all of my dogs show and working, and i can not get one of them to look like they are sitting up. that is hidious!!
how dare you bash people who know right from wrong..
so go ahead show us your stacks and stacks of photo's. pick out the one's that YOU think are correct stances.
i don't care what kennel that pup is from that is totally gross and IMO looks worse then an American shepherd. if they are one of the best kennels then they should know how to stack a dog. i would NEVER have put up THAT picture.

by crhuerta on 30 July 2009 - 21:07

Sorry guys,
But you can get that "look" very easily from a chunky, thick boned, angulated puppy.....especially from the beautiful bloodlines he comes from.
Puppies that have long/tall hocks, long stifle bones with very little "bend"...will not have that appearance.
The thicker the thigh, the shorter the hock, good length of stifle bone..w/ pronounced angulation...at that particular age.....WILL....let a puppy stand like that, especially because it is..(at that age) close in the rear & has pronounced wither, and a good length of croup.
Only proper time will tell, how this puppy will actually turn out....

He may not be a type many of you "desire"........but the bloodlines he comes from, produces some of the nicest dogs in Germany.

by Uber Land on 30 July 2009 - 22:07

I don't think it is how the pup is stacked as I have personal experience with several other pups who looked exactly the same. these are out of top V and VA lines. I see more and more "Top" bred german litters that have this same build. these are what the breeders are choosing as their top show puppies.
just not my cup of tea.

This is supposed to be a natural looking breed.

by crhuerta on 30 July 2009 - 22:07

Cup of tea or not.......this type of puppy will probably grow up with a very close resemblance to his father & grandfathers....because it's bloodlines and " recent pic" says so.
So again.....it's in the eyes of the beholder....like or dislike, everyone has the choice...and no one is "wrong" with having a "type preference"....but again....absolutely...a puppy with his "type" can be stacked as poorly as he is in the pic.....I've made the same horrible "stack" mistakes myself in the past.

by harley on 30 July 2009 - 22:07

to quote Uberland--- natural looking breed. exactly!!!
the german shepherd is the only dog they stretch when stacking in the conformation ring.
they look nothing like that standing "natural", so why is it done??
you can see the "flying trot" as they run around the ring. i don't understand it. never did and most people who don't own shepherd think it is gross. or they wonder what happened to the dog they had as children. those shepherds did not look like that.
i have heard that comment EVERYTIME i am at an all breed GSD show.
i will stick with the V-rated "working" line dogs from now on.
and working line by no means in my book is a show line. have a good night

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